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+----- Thread: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Completed) (/showthread.php?tid=148981)
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Sombs - 03-29-2017
I do understand where people come from, but if people would already have enough money themselves, they wouldn't do those runs. On the other hand, I don't really see many pirates/police chars, nor do I see many militaries. So this event is profitable for the guys that need to make money, while the other side rather complains instead of logging.
The problem is that any lolwut can do the smuggle - I just tried it with a recording. The only thing that stood in my way was a metagaming LPI in NY that had no evidence of me even entering the system but contacted me via system chat. Later he PMed me inRP, telling me that he got the TLAGSNET logs for my ship to add me to the criminal thing list. Other than that he did a very solid RP.
However, that makes me think. If LPI players need to metagame their knowledge of people in the same system, it is either a noob, or a sign of desperation, and the latter is justified by the fact that anyone can make /restart RHCorpRepublican, get a Stork at Alster, move to Westfalen and get the first load. They can then move over the Sigmas to avoid Liberty, which is what I would do if I would be that desperately want to avoid any danger.
So, what can be fixed? I would rather see the lolwut-smuggling stop and make this cargo only available for officials, to boost membership in those factions.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Felipe - 03-29-2017
Geee, im the person who spend more time in transports that i know, and event pay same as a silver run if you mine the ore instead of buying, so isnt that much, if ppl sit on billions, use the money, cuz i all in all have 300 millz now, and im buying next useless cap with it... Use that money, make a PoB and dont pay month fee, that will make activity, help the server, stop complaining, do your part, put well paid bounty on your enemies heads ( not my chars plzzzz), equip a shared on your fction w cau8, jump drive and whatever and see your money go away
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Emperor Tekagi - 03-29-2017
(03-29-2017, 01:36 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: I do understand where people come from, but if people would already have enough money themselves, they wouldn't do those runs. On the other hand, I don't really see many pirates/police chars, nor do I see many militaries. So this event is profitable for the guys that need to make money, while the other side rather complains instead of logging.
[Complains about some LPI indie?!]
So, what can be fixed? I would rather see the lolwut-smuggling stop and make this cargo only available for officials, to boost membership in those factions.
I see people just gathering even more money while knowing they have like 3 fully equipped BSs already, anyway what concerns me most about this is the low amount of people willing to log at all (put away the trader part), I tried to pirate during the main time and beyond it, stood there for over 3 hours and had a single catch which wasn't even a Military and like 3 normal traders. While the thought of it is really nice it just ends up with people in some areas not logging at all while in some areas you will only see corporations trying to haul it.
More importantly:
Letting access only to officials would atleast temporaly boost membership but this would have to be for a longterm event and nothing that is gone after a week or two again. Nor should money alone be what encourages people to join an Official Faction, the idea is nice but I wonder if it works out. We should test it if you ask me.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - sindroms - 03-29-2017
If you want I can just disable the event, if this is causing so many issues. Or just knock down the CPS to regular routes.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Alestone - 03-29-2017
(03-28-2017, 06:16 PM)Chance Wrote: Do the Privateers fall into the BAF? They are sort of a sanctioned auxilary.
I understand that the route would not work for Rheinland to Kusari and Kusari to Liberty due to reputation issues.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Emperor Tekagi - 03-29-2017
(03-29-2017, 01:50 PM)sindroms Wrote: If you want I can just disable the event, if this is causing so many issues. Or just knock down the CPS to regular routes.
The event itself isn't causing issues (now that we soon get money sinks worth spending it all for!), it's the general low motivation of a lot of people to even bother logging at all which kills the fun at this events for some people. It's a community issue which won't solve itself anytime soon and what causes it won't be gone too anytime soon.
EDIT: But that's something to be discussed elsewhere.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Sombs - 03-29-2017
Money would be one reason, in that case. If the officials would have more to offer than that, it's almost a bingo.
By the way, it was less a complaint about the LPI indi than being a connected component to the story. Being a lolwut smuggler is frustratingly easy. I did it, spend 220.000.000 credits for Stork and cargo and you have the money back after three successful smuggles. So what you basically do is fly in a way that doesn't allow anyone else to find you, because it is still more profitable than any other trade route. (As you are not relying on miners / ore PoBs.)
Police characters can only do so much. They either can hope for smugglers showing up on TLAGSNET or camping at jump holes, so the smuggler needs to use another way (or F1s in space for the time being). That is how the common smugglers do it, because they rather do that than losing cargo they bought for 25 million credits, that is worth 90 million credits at the selling point. That wouldn't change if both minimum and maximum price would be altered, as the invested time is the same. When you fly off-plane for like 30 minutes and all that, you don't let them waste your time and do everything that is within the server rules to not lose.
I couldn't even blame people. Those smuggler log for the money, not for RP or any other beneficial behavior towards the community.
TL;DR: Keep the prices as they are, but make the cargo accessible only by official factions. That way you get another instance to ensure this will be done correctly while you don't have lolwut traders flooding low-pop times. People will do everything possible to not get caught and even then they don't have to fear for much, as even with the FR5 being a result, you can simply rename yourself or make a new Stork.
Also: Maybe contact the leaders next time so they can prepare themselves for the event, in terms of RP. Rheinland's leaders are pretty inactive, and Kusari is just dead in terms of officials anyway. Either contacting them before the event to set it up or generally override their laws for the duration of the event. It's better to have some officials being pissed about that - so they maybe get the idea and do something for their factions - than having no official participants. I mean, right now we have some, but it would be more if the event wouldn't just pop up and tell people to RP for it.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Felipe - 03-29-2017
Lets take a closer look on reasons: im a Rhein player, why im not in RM? Because its almost inactive? No,im in kruger, and one of 3 last active there. Because bad ships? A lil maybe, but im in CR and we dont have BS, Dread or BC, so why? I wont spen a year there so i can fly a damm GB, thats prim reason, second: i dislike behavior ive seen enough, all RM caps ganking 4 UN ships, as when i beggined in his server. Then ill ask: ive seen Bretonian navy players asking for lil money, but i dont see em trading, nor in normal ore hauling nor in event. And you ppl seems to forget theres new players around. Last night i directed 2 guys who are pirating, waiting for no one to try for 15 mills, in ill-equiped ships... try to help those newbies, not gank em with 2 loldreads plus snub support, what fun is in this? One of the guys i fighted once, he dont even try evade mortar fire from 3k, why shadow this guy around, killing him everytime he log? Help him improve his skills, teach him how earn money for good cau, then have good battles, not senseless slaugters.... oh well, im going too far
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - oZoneRanger - 03-29-2017
(03-29-2017, 01:36 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: I do understand where people come from, but if people would already have enough money themselves, they wouldn't do those runs. On the other hand, I don't really see many pirates/police chars, nor do I see many militaries. So this event is profitable for the guys that need to make money, while the other side rather complains instead of logging.
The problem is that any lolwut can do the smuggle - I just tried it with a recording. The only thing that stood in my way was a metagaming LPI in NY that had no evidence of me even entering the system but contacted me via system chat. Later he PMed me inRP, telling me that he got the TLAGSNET logs for my ship to add me to the criminal thing list. Other than that he did a very solid RP.
However, that makes me think. If LPI players need to metagame their knowledge of people in the same system, it is either a noob, or a sign of desperation, and the latter is justified by the fact that anyone can make /restart RHCorpRepublican, get a Stork at Alster, move to Westfalen and get the first load. They can then move over the Sigmas to avoid Liberty, which is what I would do if I would be that desperately want to avoid any danger.
So, what can be fixed? I would rather see the lolwut-smuggling stop and make this cargo only available for officials, to boost membership in those factions.
Police factions have satellite data available to them. Engine core signals, long range scans, call it what you want, it is legitimately Rp-able. Very different from the "I use the system chat to find interations" which is more about blue-message-hunting and griefing than anything else.
You could argue that New York, would be one with the most data available. Cops/Military may know you are in the system, but not your location. Funny how any time anyone gets busted in game, there is the "he was metagaming" or "he a Noob" excuse for having been busted. For a cop/military to know that certain ships are in the Capital system of house space would seem pretty normal. Tipical Disco elitism on your part for those comments.
As for the event. There are no RP consequences that can be played out and enforced. No one stops, no one drops the cargo, everyone is a quick dock, or they have the excuse that they have "verbal" permission to be there from a "Skype" buddy who is in a military faction.
Maybe a tweak to the event. Like, making the cargo transport ONLY available to the Official Tag ships of USI-BMM-Whatever Rhienland uses to supply its militarty and Kishiro/Samura(which everone fits the lore better considering the civil war stuff up there). And that these ships be allowed to have a Military escort of snub craft.
These should also be a "Go there and Back" route and they are being used in a circular fashion, which is good for people RPing smugglers, but hardly anyone does that. Most smuggling these days on the server is for ooRP ship building and base supply, and not much that you can do about it.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Sombs - 03-29-2017
You're sadly wrong. What LPI has is TLAGSNET. It is already hard enough to avoid that (trips take much more time, as you have to avoid both gates and lanes), as using the scan-command is already killing most of the serious-level smuggling. It's pretty easy: Using the playerlist to get information you want to use inRP is pretty much a no-go and the RP elite only takes screenshots and logs. That is pretty much the consent of the current playerbase. Using metagame-sensors is not only cheap, but also pretty nonsensical. You suddenly have information of a name, but you don't know what type of ship it is and you don't know the cargo. In my particular situation, I got contacted via system chat the moment I left the badlands with the LPI on the other end of the system.