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RE: Zoners - Vendetta - 05-23-2017
(05-23-2017, 08:27 PM)Arioch Wrote:(05-23-2017, 08:19 PM)Vendetta Wrote: They can't poison our water supply, burn our crops or deliver a plague upon our houses.
Sorry Zoners.
But no, realistically speaking from a lore standpoint, unifying to form an acting body for all Zoner stations kind of goes against the whole idea of wanting to shift away from House laws in order to have more freedom. Not every Zoner will agree that a confederacy is the ultimate approach to handle each problem, and there really should be exemptions to allow individual Freeports to govern themselves as an independent entity instead of a group or committee handling bulk decisions.
Instead when someone messes around at one station, a notice is sent to the others on a background channel saying "Hey, this guy/these guys are no good. Watch out for them."
Why though? Where in the lore does it state that "Zoners left the corruption and unnecessary rules of the houses, and will never follow any rules and act in their own self interest". Guess what? It doesn't.
It's a little contradictory for people attempting to escape House laws and regulations to go off and form their own laws and regulations with sporadic stations across the sector governed by a council. At that point it'd make more sense to form a house.
House Zoner.
RE: Zoners - Arioch - 05-23-2017
(05-23-2017, 08:48 PM)Vendetta Wrote: It's a little contradictory for people attempting to escape House laws and regulations to go off and form their own laws and regulations with sporadic stations across the sector governed by a council. At that point it'd make more sense to form a house.
House Zoner.
No it's not - how is setting up rules that state "Don't shoot around a Freeport or Zoner station" and "Don't bring warships around Freeports" equivalent to a House? Are people being taxed? No. Are people being told they have to get a visa or permit to dock? No. The rules or "laws" are ONLY there to make sure Freeports remain what their name implies - a FREEport. That in no way is equivalent to a House or government.
RE: Zoners - Sombs - 05-23-2017
That's not contradictory. Just look at the hilarious laws of Rheinland and Kusari, while the only law of the Zoners is "Don't be a dummy in the No-Fire-Zone or you're out". The info card doesn't say they are opposed to all kinds of governments. It just says they aren't happy with the current house laws and stuff.
It never stated they oppose the concepts. Just the present manifestations.
RE: Zoners - Kauket - 05-23-2017
Finn, what you did when at the Freeport was right, you were trying to preserve neutrality and, I'm just talking about the absurd actions like supporting 'bombardment' or creating a 'fighting' force against a military. Zoners are civilians, not warriors.
Also not true(shizune), Core never gave permission, unless you have quotes. Implo disliked the idea at the time apparently (according to the chat), and the current leader, Chuba, denies it.
RE: Zoners - Arioch - 05-23-2017
(05-23-2017, 08:52 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: That's not contradictory. Just look at the hilarious laws of Rheinland and Kusari, while the only law of the Zoners is "Don't be a dummy in the No-Fire-Zone or you're out". The info card doesn't say they are opposed to all kinds of governments. It just says they aren't happy with the current house laws and stuff.
It never stated they oppose the concepts. Just the present manifestations.
Thank you - It was the needless regulations and the corruption of the Governments controlling the Houses that people didn't like, thus originally left into space that wasn't being manipulated or controlled by greedy politicians. There isn't anything stating that Zoners can't form their own council or body to keep the peace and safety for Zoners and others who go to Freeports. That's laughable to think there can't be ANY form of regulations or set of rules to abide by.
I never thought a rule/rules stating "Don't be a dick around a Neutral station" would make Zoners... anti-Zoner. Pretty sure that is EXACTLY what Zoners are. People who want to be neutral and left alone, and anyone who wants to join them or visit them can have a safe environment to go to.
RE: Zoners - MotokoSusu - 05-23-2017
wait let me understand this you creat a inRP faction so Zoners can discuss in a ooRP prospective.
whhhyyyy not just have a oorp thread then and bypass the inrp altogether. also a Freeport admin a chieftian of a tribe? Nooooo!!!! they are a building manager. "Or if someone breaks the ID and shoot someone, thus starting a conflict that affects a whole region of space and not one station, that there shouldn't be consequences?"
well that is when diplomacy is used. second who dispenses the Consequences? I think if a single player goes rouge the ones that he is attacking will solve that problem and become as you all say a lolowut moment. seems a little group have a vested interest in this by driving all these , what I call some pretty weak reasons for it to become a realization, bullet points. can any one here recall any major Zoners war inrp other then the FP11 crud. that would call for this to be done and if so why was it not done then.
RE: Zoners - Shizune - 05-23-2017
(05-23-2017, 08:56 PM)Auzari Wrote: Finn, what you did when at the Freeport was right, you were trying to preserve neutrality and, I'm just talking about the absurd actions like supporting 'bombardment' or creating a 'fighting' force against a military. Zoners are civilians, not warriors.
Also not true(shizune), Core never gave permission, unless you have quotes. Implo disliked the idea at the time apparently (according to the chat), and the current leader, Chuba, denies it.
If you wish, I can send it over PM Nyx. I'll do that as to not clutter up this thread
RE: Zoners - MotokoSusu - 05-23-2017
see Fin this is now where we get to the core of the issues the official factions that set at the heads of the freeports dictating to all the indy players
RE: Zoners - Sombs - 05-23-2017
The entire FP11 stuff was powergamery.
Two lolwuts openly fired at the Core with Neph and Aquilon, got reported and sanctioned for the rule violation, but it was still handled inRP. Core asked for those guys to be handed over to the Core, the OFFICIAL ZONERS were pushing for that, as it was the ONLY REASONABLE THING to do. However, the indie zoners in the Freeport 11 chat, the crown around Shizune, Jack and Co, were desperately pushing for a resistance against the Core while the CoF was doing negotiations with the Core (That is how the Core got their hands on Finn McCool and later they sold him to the Aoi) and both Core and the indie Zoners continued the hostilities with each other while nobody was listening to any of the official Zoner factions anymore. The indie Zoner group made up on-spot lore with Spazzy to get the NEMP event through and that pretty much legitimized the entire crap happening in Delta. Then the drugs kicked in and people started acting like they could bombard Nauru with EMP missiles. And then everything went silent, because things turned out exactly as I predicted them to be: Both parties dragged it out so long, nobody really did anything anymore. That and Lyth got banned again. No Flashback.
RE: Zoners - Vendetta - 05-23-2017
(05-23-2017, 08:50 PM)Arioch Wrote:(05-23-2017, 08:48 PM)Vendetta Wrote: It's a little contradictory for people attempting to escape House laws and regulations to go off and form their own laws and regulations with sporadic stations across the sector governed by a council. At that point it'd make more sense to form a house.
House Zoner.
No it's not - how is setting up rules that state "Don't shoot around a Freeport or Zoner station" and "Don't bring warships around Freeports" equivalent to a House? Are people being taxed? No. Are people being told they have to get a visa or permit to dock? No. The rules or "laws" are ONLY there to make sure Freeports remain what their name implies - a FREEport. That in no way is equivalent to a House or government.
There's a difference between establishing common sense law at a free zone to prevent violent outcomes, and establishing a form of government to enforce a loosely affiliated group of colonists. If it were possible, each station should govern themselves rather than be operated by a confederation. That's the point I'm trying to make.