' Wrote:The -only- reason anyone can consider the GC to be pirates is by the game mechanic, as the rules of the server do not allow the GC to act as terrorists. You'd need a terrorist ID for that.
Apart from the rather large amount of infocards I just collected for you, there is also the fact that the NPC GC will attack shipping, they camp tradelanes, and the .ini files have them set to demand cargo from ships. This setting is easily editable, and only exists for pirate factions, and for police when it comes to contraband. If they weren't pirates, why would the game files have them set to demand cargo from traders? It has nothing to do with game mechanics.
' Wrote:
The IRA; Try to achieve their goals by destroying profiled targets on the mainland as well as attacking and killing opposition party spokesmen, leaders, military and police personnel.
The GC; Try to achieve their goals by destroying profiled targets in central Kusari as well as attacking and killing the current regimes supporters, primarily Samura, Hogosha, KNF, KSP and the Farmers Alliance.
You should continue to avoid trying to make real life comparisons.. Especially when you're interpreting one side the way you wish. The GC don't try to achieve their goals in such a black-and-white fashion.
GC try to achieve their goals by destroying profiled targets throughout Kusari, as well as attacking and killing the current regime supporters. In addition, they attack trade in Kusari, including foreign traders, to stifle Kusari's economy and further damage Samura, by direct attacks, and the government, who get money from trade coming to and going from Kusari.
' Wrote:The GC; Supplied by those with interests in the goals of the GC, namely corporations and factions looking to muscle in on the Kusari market, primarily IC, Synth Foods and the Outcasts, who want to gain a stronger foothold with their Cardamine. Also supplied by donations from any representatives of political parties perhaps even within Samura and the Hogosha, who claim that 'more needs to be done to prevent GC terrorism acts in Kusari' as their reason for a powergrab within their parental faction.
You're partly correct. But the Chrysanthemums also commit piracy to supply themselves. This fact is shown above in the infocards I supplied. I believe two of them specifically noted that some of their piracy is for the purpose of getting supplies. The Blood Dragons do the exact same things. This again, is shown in the above infocards. The next isn't in the above infocards, but the Bundschuh, probably the faction most like the GC, also committed piracy to supply themselves, in addition to the money they got from people in Rheinland. These days they've done more pirating than political terrorism, but back when they were pure political terrorists, they still did piracy for supplies.
' Wrote:The spread of Cardamine itself through Kusari plays no role in acting as a 'recruitment banner'. Cardamine is used in initiation, not before.
Really? Care to explain the following infocard then?
Quote:ids# 132960
I think it's time for my afternoon Cardamine break. We sell our cargo here, since they won't let us land on Tokyo. All the hip Tokyo types come here to get their supply. That's how we recruit new girls to join the cause.
Quote:Piracy causes less fear than terrorism, and it is the GC's aim to be feared. After all, if you fear someone and they speak, you tend to listen to them rather than ignore them. And what's better, if you destroy things, you still get to tow away some of the loot.
Really? GC want to be feared? If you're going to try to tell us what we should and shouldn't do, please be sure to understand the faction first. The GC don't want to be feared at all. That never was their plan. They hit Hogosha/Samura/Government to weaken them, not to instill fear. They attack trade to hurt the economy and make Samura and the government that much weaker. Never has the GC attacked a civilian population. If they were to instill fear, how would they get new women to join them? You're way off mark with this, and there is absolutely nothing to back up this claim. Show me some infocards or rumors, or anything, that supports your claim here. I can guarantee you won't find one.
' Wrote:So, essentially, the GC condone slavery and a horrible death by a thousand cuts. Excellent.In rebelling against the patriarchal society of Kusari, and in being responsible for deaths through acts of terrorism, they lose all sense of humanity. Sarcasm of course.
Condone slavery? No. Understand that they can't get the Outcasts to change their policy? Yes. They may be unhappy about it, but they know there is nothing they can do to stop the Outcasts from doing it. They also understand it's a vital resource to have Slaves in order to get that Cardamine. Since the GC rely on the OC's Cardamine, they aren't going to tell the Outcasts to stop using slaves. They'd lose their own supply of Cardamine if they managed to get it done. It's the same situation they have with the GMG. They don't like the fact that GMG and OC fight each other, but they can't do anything about it, so they learn to live with it. Slavery is not a big issue to the GC, especially when they are indirectly relying on it. You haven't done very much research on the GC if you don't even understand this...
' Wrote:Here I agree with you. There's that famous rumour about a Outcast and Corsair getting entangled with each other, I dont think it's outside the realms of possibility.
But these Kusari men do not rape other Kusari women or commit similar attrocities and get away with it. As Unselie said, if such a thing were to happen, you would probably see revenge killing's of sorts.
When did we ever say Kusari men go out and rape the women?
' Wrote:This is Kusari/Japan that we're talking about, during the period before the conclusion of the second world war. My grandmother was punched by a military officer when she was six for breaking her bow to look up at him while he was passed. She didn't then decide to join a suffragette-eque movement.
A six year old can't do a whole lot about joining a movement, can she? Furthermore, there wasn't any big movement for her to join during that period. Especially one that is confined to the Japanese islands. This is space, 1,000 years in the future. They have the means an opportunity to leave the nation and join a revolutionary movement. They have also had the taste of equality, and since been oppressed after arriving in Sirius. Did you read anything other than the sparse infocard?
' Wrote:Having first hand experience of even modern Japan, women play their role still subject to the will of the man in the family, though far less so than in pre-war Japan. Women do not get pushed around or forced into the role that they play, they just do so without asking questions.
Wrong. There are some families that still stick to tradition, but there are also more families that no longer act that way, where the woman is equal to the man in the family. Also, you're neglecting the biggest issue the GC women have with Kusari. Inequality in society, not the family settings.
Here is another infocard from in-game, for your thoughts;
Quote:ids# 133398
I graduated from New Tokyo University with a degree in Quantum Engineering. I found work at Samura pouring coffee for my male boss. When the Golden C. approached me at a Roppongi bar, I jumped at the chance to finally fight back for the women of Kusari.
You see above one of the reasons the women in Kusari act the way they do..
But now I have a question for you; Why are you trying to argue over the facts of the NPC faction and its lore? Right now you're straying towards that, not the actions of the GC players in-game. You're arguing about how GC women act, and their motives for doing so, in Kusari. So you're saying that the NPC faction is OORP now? We shouldn't act the way our faction does, because it's the faction that is wrong?
' Wrote:You are thinking about 'the atmosphere they live in, and most likely grew up in' from the eyes of a westerner. It may seem perfectly logical to you to, but even Japanese women wont quite see what you're trying to say. Or rather, they will appear to agree with you but in reality have no opinion of their own. This is because Japanese people, women and men alike, are put through an educational system that dumbs down the ability of free thinking and question asking in exchange for a vast knowledge base from which to draw facts and methods. For example, putting your hand up during an excerpt being read out by a teacher in High School in Japan typically earns you a detention, rather than them allowing you to ask your question. You listen. You learn. You do not question. These are the rules of the current educational system, which has been in place since Japan modernised its armed forces over a century ago.
Really now? I've known some people from Japan, and this isn't anything like what they've talked about. Perhaps you'd like to get a news article, or review, of the Japanese educational system to back up what you say. Especially since this is you, a male from the UK, saying this.. I don't find you as a source very reliable on the workings of a nation's education system on the other side of the planet.
' Wrote:If we now assume that Kusari is traditional Japan in respect to its very fact-based educational system, strong traditions of patriarchy and a prized value for brides as a way of sealing connections between families, all of which existed before westernisation and still do to a large extent, then the GC movement should still be what it was in vanilla; a small but expanding group of idealists who have taken the most extreme measures to fulfill their goals. Not some bloody armada like they are now.
I don't recall ever saying the GC were an armada. In fact, I'm one of the people that was -against- the use of cruisers by GC players. I also encouraged very small numbers of gunship (Kiretsu has only a single gunship), while using large amounts of fighters and bombers instead. I also agree with the fact that is is small, but not as small as you seem to think it is. The GC are slightly larger than the Blood Dragons, though not as well trained or skilled as they are. If you're talking about the things found in Tau-65, I'd agree with you. I, for one, think that system makes very little sense for the GC. I didn't mod it, nor have any part in its creation. If Kiretsu were to own Tau-65, we'd likely go with an entire retcon of the system, but we don't own it, so there is nothing we can do about it. As you know, guard systems have become an issue for a large amount of factions at this point, including the Mollys, FA, and others.
' Wrote:Part of the Ainu infocard:
Lacking in direction =/= being raped, abused and generally pushed around.
Again, please quote where I've ever said that women in Kusari are raped.. If you're going to criticize what I say, pick real comments, rather than ones that don't exist.
So, I've supplied you with many infocards supporting what I've said. Could you please show me some that support your comments?