Just gotta say my peace here. Since I was someone who helped with the creation of this faction I'm very sad to see the bickering here. Considering Protégé created almost everything about Bloodrose Syndicate except some lore I wrote it's kinda messed up you trying to take things back over Chrono. For the first month of this factions creation you couldn't even be bothered to create your character and ships. When you finally did get around to writing a bio for your character it had to be heavily edited by myself and Protégé due to obscene content. Also I remember many times You, me, and Protege chatted about things and you would always get offended over the Littlest things.
Chrono, I see this as simply you stealing the faction from the person who did all the work to create it. You should be ashamed of your self. Be glad I left the faction chat cause I would never had let this happen.
(08-20-2015, 08:47 PM)Jonas Valent Wrote: Just gotta say my peace here. Since I was someone who helped with the creation of this faction I'm very sad to see the bickering here. Considering Protégé created almost everything about Bloodrose Syndicate except some lore I wrote it's kinda messed up you trying to take things back over Chrono. For the first month of this factions creation you couldn't even be bothered to create your character and ships. When you finally did get around to writing a bio for your character it had to be heavily edited by myself and Protégé due to obscene content. Also I remember many times You, me, and Protege chatted about things and you would always get offended over the Littlest things.
Chrono, I see this as simply you stealing the faction from the person who did all the work to create it. You should be ashamed of your self. Be glad I left the faction chat cause I would never had let this happen.
If you wanted it to be different, should have stuck around yourself...
Since you left it's nothing to you any more.
Thank you for your view on this subject, Jonas. I will remember next time I am recovering from spinal surgery, to sit at my computer and play every game possible to satisfy those involved and not listen to my doctors orders about doing as little as possible including playing games..
As for Protege being the one that created the faction, you are partially mistaken. It was my idea, to move from the PLR to something new, then we worked together, mostly with my coming up with the ideas and Protege turning them to his own desires. From square one I was pushed aside even though most of what the faction exists for came out of my head. Every attempt to lead and change things to how I, the faction leader, wanted for the faction as a whole, Protege suppressed in a harsh manner.
And as for your creating the faction lore, You were the one that offered to write it for us, and if you remember correctly, it was Protégé that constantly bothered you about finishing it and not myself. As for the lore's current status, I am still working on it because it wasn't even half finished when you decided to leave right around the time of my fully recovering. Mind you I have been neglecting the lore myself,for the past few months. However, I was working on it for nearly 2 hours today before images in the faction threads started disappearing.
On the subject of you and protege's "Heavily editing" my characters Bio, there was one mention of my character Rise's father and his abusive methods with her as she grew up. Everything else, Protege rewrote because he didn't like how I worded and detailed the bio as well as "Instructing me" to change certain aspects of her backstory due to it not lining up with what he wanted of my Role Play.
Defend Protege all you want and ignore the facts of my medical issues at the time all you want, but you left within the first month of the factions existence and never saw what really went on between myself and Protege. I did not steal this faction from Protégé, I gave him a choice, either let me lead or get out. he chose to throw the temper tantrum, removing people from the chats, telling me who I can and cant allow in the faction simply because he didn't like some one. He constantly griped about a certain ship incident over and over as the reason to not add someone I look up to then turns around and does the same thing, he goes and starts deleting images simply to ruin our faction threads, thinking it would upset me. I actually had fun hunting down the pictures and doing some artsy stuff for a change so that I could restore what he'd removed. It gave me a bit of a nostalgia trip back to when I was in high school and working on Graphic design stuff for the different clubs and teams in the school. To be honest, it actually helped me feel a little better after all of what has happened over the past few days.
Anyway, not only did Protégé's exiting on a sour note leave a large awkward hole in the faction, but he did so with the promise of, "I won't mess with anything or delete anything", yet things have not lived up to such a promise. You are telling me to be ashamed of myself for stealing this faction from Protégé, yet you know nothing about what happened after your exit. My leadership abilities were severely suppressed by Protégé in a very abusive way. When people not even in the Bloodrose Syndicate faction know of what went on between myself and Protege and how I was treated, and that they supported this action, even aiding me with suggestions and advice, I find myself hard pressed to feel ashamed.
Now, I have been throwing a lot of blame on Protégé, however, it takes two to tango and I am not above admitting where I am at fault in all of this. I admit I wasn't highly active in the faction between its creation and now. At the beginning, I had a logical, medical reason for not doing anything and I decided to have Protégé lead the faction for me. Once I was able to lead, I continuously felt unable to do so due to how I was treated, again, by Protégé, and never really took the proper steps to enforce my will as a leader. I felt that doing so would cause unneeded issues and thus, I stood by and took his way of leading the faction and controlling my authority until slowly, over the past few months, it has grown into an issue I could no longer allow and have thus, taken the steps rectify the issue at hand. The faction was not going in the proper direction it should have been, its very core ideals were hardly being touched, a Focus on Liberty PVP and PVP in general is not what this faction is about yet that is all the faction has done for the last month or two. The faction needed leadership that would bring it back to its true purpose, and I finally took the steps to stand up to Protégé and do what needed to be done.
Now, after all that is said and done, Jonas, I have no hard feelings towards you, I think you are a great guy and a great member of this community, but when you come and tell me this, I find myself a little upset. I would even go to the point of saying I'm a McDonald French Fry.
Ehh. I told myself I wouldn't come back to this, because quite frankly everything this entire drama is based on misinterpretations or lies making it a giant waste of time, but after being asked by a few people to actually respond to this, I will do so once and uncover some of the stuff that was actually going on.
Quote:As for Protege being the one that created the faction, you are partially mistaken. It was my idea, to move from the PLR to something new, then we worked together, mostly with my coming up with the ideas and Protege turning them to his own desires.
This is not true. I convinced you in the very beginning that beating on a dead horse the PLR was a mistake and instead we should focus on something else. I suggested Outcasts as it would fill some niches that remained empty, such as giving the people from PLR a place to actually do stuff, filling in a place that remained after 101st disbanding (that's for example where Venkman came from) and making an Outcast faction that was actually focused on doing stuff with Cardamine. Even when suggesting Bloodrose I said I was partially inspired by Bentiez's way of doing things, so claiming that you came up with the faction is a blatant lie.
On another note, please spell my name correctly.
Quote:Every attempt to lead and change things to how I, the faction leader, wanted for the faction as a whole, Protege suppressed in a harsh manner.
Of course. Because some of those ideas were frankly ridiculous (for instance your oh-so-reasonable idea of having three Ranseurs floating in a lake), annoying and unreasonable (basically demanding that I give you 200 mil so that you can fly a Storta BECAUSE I WANNA, or forcing our members to be inactive for three days when they're killed), indecent (you know very well what I'm referring to) or required slight tweaking. In that last example I never actually shot down your idea, just told you that it's impractical or not possible to execute at the current time (pirating IMG|, I suppose everyone who ever tried that can relate) but you're welcome to try anyway.
And it's not that all of them were shot down, either. Many of them we actually did implement, but for some reason you refuse to acknowledge that.
Quote:And as for your creating the faction lore, You were the one that offered to write it for us, and if you remember correctly, it was Protégé that constantly bothered you about finishing it and not myself.
I can't see how that's a bad thing. Yeah, Jonas did offer to write the lore, his work was incredibly good and I was from time to time asking if he is going to continue. Of course and unfortunately he didn't, and the only work that was put in later was about four or five paragraphs of rather questionable quality because I refused to meddle in something that he created, hoping that your claims of being really good at writing stuff were true and because you offered to finish it.
Quote:On the subject of you and protege's "Heavily editing" my characters Bio, there was one mention of my character Rise's father and his abusive methods with her as she grew up. Everything else, Protege rewrote because he didn't like how I worded and detailed the bio as well as "Instructing me" to change certain aspects of her backstory due to it not lining up with what he wanted of my Role Play.
I actually don't remember anything like that happened. What I actually remember is you asking Jonas to write your character's bio too because you didn't have the time/will/way/whatever.
And as far as "your Role Play" is concerned (I find it funny that you wrote that with capital letters), I would like to remind you that Discovery is supposed to be a PG community. Meanwhile when I left you with your RP project with Skorak, only asking for it to be suitable to be later put on the forums, you basically completely disregarded my request and after I actually got to read it, I was surprised that half of the entire thing was... well, "indecent" is a very soft word here. Later you insisted that I help you out with removing these parts to make it suitable for forum publishing, which, considering the entire thing was 65 pages long, left me at the very least disgusted.
Quote:I gave him a choice, either let me lead or get out. he chose to throw the temper tantrum, removing people from the chats, telling me who I can and cant allow in the faction simply because he didn't like some one.
And what I should have done is kicking you and two other people out (which I failed to do because it was 2am and I wasn't thinking very clearly), retconning some parts of the lore and starting it fresh, this time without a liability that is a second faction leader, especially <insert an ad hominem of your choice>. I failed to realise that in the beginning and that's a lesson learned that I paid for with about four months of work (two of which were my free time holidays, that I willingly devoted to mostly doing stuff for Bloodrose).
As per that line of removing people from chats on a whim, you know as well as I do that is not true. The person that I removed basically personally insulted me and my country, for which if we met in real life he would have received a punch in the face, possibly somewhere else. Fortunately we are in the internets so all I did was removed him from the chat. Unfortunately, skype's design philosophy is wrong and stupid so you had the power of adding him back over and over again.
And as per the last part, yes, I did have objections as far as ninja'ing Altejago into the faction is concerned. And blimey I wonder why. [1][2][3][4]
Quote:Anyway, not only did Protégé's exiting on a sour note leave a large awkward hole in the faction, but he did so with the promise of, "I won't mess with anything or delete anything", yet things have not lived up to such a promise.
I suppose this is a proof for everyone that you can't read comprehensively. I never said I would leave it untouched, in fact I said something exactly the opposite. I took with me everything that didn't require much work to get rid of and that included removing the graphics from my imgur account and taking the ships that I paid for with me. I could, technically, remove all RP posts I did for Bloodrose as well (and as far as my knowledge of MyBB is concerned, they couldn't be properly restored without a forum rollback), but that would require much more time and effort. Then again, so does this post, so it leaves me wondering why I haven't done that in the first place.
Quote:I actually had fun hunting down the pictures and doing some artsy stuff for a change so that I could restore what he'd removed. It gave me a bit of a nostalgia trip back to when I was in high school and working on Graphic design stuff for the different clubs and teams in the school. To be honest, it actually helped me feel a little better after all of what has happened over the past few days.
First of all, that's a lie (that I can easily check by simply comparing the files), second of all, that's illegal (claiming it is yours, of course) so I'd suggest you didn't say something stupid like that.
Quote:When people not even in the Bloodrose Syndicate faction know of what went on between myself and Protege and how I was treated, and that they supported this action, even aiding me with suggestions and advice, I find myself hard pressed to feel ashamed.
No, I don't think they do. Simply because you kept bringing up excuses, misinterpretations, lies and trying to guilt-trip me because of your, Alte's and whoever else's personal problems. The latter genuinely doesn't work, I seriously don't care what personal problems you have, I can only judge you by your ability. And that is, unfortunately, incredibly poor. Oh, my, I'm such a bellend, who woulda thunk.
I'm gonna ignore the last two paragraphs because they're only there to make people believe in your b******t. And I also won't bother to respond to anything else regarding this subject.
And look, I wasted like 90 minutes responding to this post that could be better spent. Oh well.