(02-06-2019, 11:23 PM)Lusitano Wrote: So ... some "genius" decided ..., probably was the same "genius" that decided ... blood dragons on tomioka!!! amazing ... how can someone be such idio ... i mean ... genius?!! no wait .. f this! those people really are idiots!and idiots is the most kind thing i can remember!!
Basically the development team is "genius idiots", according to what you said. That is a compliment, thank you! Moving on...
(02-06-2019, 11:23 PM)Lusitano Wrote: ...no wonder so many are leaving, even the "best"!! how hard it is to make this fun and fair for all?!! is it worthy to spend time making your game, and then someone who doesn't care make decisions so stupid and don't even care?!
True, many are leaeving and that is completely fine. Others have returned. New people do come in now and then. To make something "fun for everybody" is impossible due to the subjective nature of "fun".
(02-06-2019, 11:23 PM)Lusitano Wrote: ...people have real life and can't be all the time ... that is my case ... but ... at least i try ... or tried ... to make something!
You have a real life, so does everyone else. You tried to make something, mkay. Probably didn't work out. Try harder!
(02-06-2019, 11:23 PM)Lusitano Wrote: never was punished like some discovery "prodigal sons", so ... why should i continue to play such bias game, controled by idiots! i once left this game because of things ... maybe i should not never returned!!!
"Maybe" you should really have not returned (is what you said and I agree with completely). There is no "should" - don't play it if you hate it so much, or else it would be an act of masochism.
The problem I have with your post is that there is nothing constructive about it. It is just one of those vents, rants, this massive unload of bovine brown matter that noone really needs. You have problems right now and you are angry - fine. But don't come here throwing your own crap at the developers like that, go to a psychotherapist instead! A psychotherapist can help you, we can't. And we most definitely don't deserve, nor will tolerate such blatant insult battery directed at us.
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But think of it this way, if every single story change you have is predictable and streamlined, then RP loses its charm as a challenge. Our interaction ingame and the story threads are always going to benefit from imagination which is the cornerstone of any roleplay game session, be it a perpetual environment such as Disco or a season based one such as the more traditional pen and paper games.
I would suggest you look at it from the perspective of being given a roleplay setting that is out of the norm. Are you really going to throw your toys out of the pram like a spoiled child, or will you meet the whole thing head-on and figure out how to use the setting that was given to you to your RP advantage and figure out how to run with it. Not content with the numbers? Ignore them and subject the interpretation of the scene with numbers that make sense to you.
Because if you reject it even if it is only on principle, all you are left with is grumbling and that isn't really proactive, is it? You are a smart boy, figure it out.
On the subject of personal thoughts I do think that the whole move seems a bit out of character from the pov of a nation that is already losing a war on one front. But nothing that cannot be explained by desperation or lack of competency on their part.
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Spazzy, there is still a significant difference between not being able to accurately predict the consequences of our own decisions and not being able to predict even our own decisions because they are made for us without our acknowledgement. At least the first case feels more realistic with leaving choices to be made by the player, the consequences be decided by the devs. The charm of challenge isn't lost only if you can omnisciently predict the future, it's also lost if you are just a witness of how others play with your factions and characters because no matter what you do, you'll have no effect on the course of events.
Sure I'm not one to complain, I was warned well ahead of Roussillon's fate and I had relatively easy job figuring out a somewhat reasonable explaination on how and why a decision we made inRP backfired on us, but looking at the Bretonia vs Zoners conflict not once I had the feeling that Council's case was handled exceptionally well and many others weren't as lucky with the devs as I was.
This plot would be much more interesting if it didn't feel so one-sided, or as a way of pandering to Bretonia, and giving them stuff to make up for their losses against Gallia by taking things away from "neutral" factions.
Or if, yanno, these actions could be properly roleplayed instead of reading about major things happening overnight.
Si, you are all totally right about evil BAF and that full metal buitch of theirs! She, SHE took MY chili sausage factories from my peaceful hairy macho hands! All the food that was feeding millions of orphans at Crete (for symbolical amount of pesos, ofc)! Ok, maybe not millions, but thousands. Or hundreds. But certainly more than a dozen! And what evil BAF does now? They are making Wellington steaks for their ugly fat hairless marines, to make them even more fat and everything!
Caramba, I will not rest until seeing her skinny arse in our underground prison facility at Crete. And we all know where and how best skinny arse parties are going on...
(caramba Kaze, I'll have to do this in comm RP form!)
The issue is that on the grapevine it all felt like this annexation was strong armed into the Mod, as far as i know most of the Bretonian Players didnt want it, and alot of Zoner players didnt want it either, yet its what we got given because it was the will of the devs. So whatever.
I tried to start engaging Rp for a "resistance" movement getting the Corsairs and other factions who have interest in O49 involved. The reason it sort of fizzled out is because of motivation, there was an overriding sense of pointless inevitability and pointlessness nothing we did would matter at all.
In regards to the comments of @Thunderer about the events yes they were a bit disorganised but look who we were going against what chances were we going to have especially how quickly Bretonian players register for events (Check every Gallia raid ever).
I dont know about others but i felt like there was little i could do even Rp wise, with Kaze's posts about the marines and how they had already taken over EVERY settlement and facility on the planet apparently without consequence what were we to do. Fact is this entire thing had really demotivated the Zoner players who did want to do something about Gran Canaria because it did feel and has been proven to be pointless. There are those who are still like..what the feck is going on? where did Bretonia get 1.8 million marines during a time of siege? Why would they annex a neutral planet when they have other options? why is it most of us didnt know the plans about Pygar until the patch notes?
Most of us who wanted to do a resistance just lost the motivation it was a case of "whats the point?" We are being told oh Zoners dont have the military power to do anything And that even with the Corsairs we would be no match for the Bretonian might. I was intending on restarting the Events but running them to be a bit fairer (no 3 BAF battleships v one Zoner carrier fights) Based more on Snub fights since its likley Zoners would field more fighters then they would Caps, but whats the point now?
So i feel at least for me anyways its been a case of "This is whats happening and you going to like it"
(02-07-2019, 10:14 AM)Aazalot Wrote: The issue is that on the grapevine it all felt like this annexation was strong armed into the Mod, as far as i know most of the Bretonian Players didnt want it, and alot of Zoner players didnt want it either, yet its what we got given because it was the will of the devs. So whatever.
I tried to start engaging Rp for a "resistance" movement getting the Corsairs and other factions who have interest in O49 involved. The reason it sort of fizzled out is because of motivation, there was an overriding sense of pointless inevitability and pointlessness nothing we did would matter at all.
In regards to the comments of @Thunderer about the events yes they were a bit disorganised but look who we were going against what chances were we going to have especially how quickly Bretonian players register for events (Check every Gallia raid ever).
I dont know about others but i felt like there was little i could do even Rp wise, with Kaze's posts about the marines and how they had already taken over EVERY settlement and facility on the planet apparently without consequence what were we to do. Fact is this entire thing had really demotivated the Zoner players who did want to do something about Gran Canaria because it did feel and has been proven to be pointless. There are those who are still like..what the feck is going on? where did Bretonia get 1.8 million marines during a time of siege? Why would they annex a neutral planet when they have other options? why is it most of us didnt know the plans about Pygar until the patch notes?
Most of us who wanted to do a resistance just lost the motivation it was a case of "whats the point?" We are being told oh Zoners dont have the military power to do anything And that even with the Corsairs we would be no match for the Bretonian might. I was intending on restarting the Events but running them to be a bit fairer (no 3 BAF battleships v one Zoner carrier fights) Based more on Snub fights since its likley Zoners would field more fighters then they would Caps, but whats the point now?
So i feel at least for me anyways its been a case of "This is whats happening and you going to like it"
And here people think that in this iteration of the mod development, stuff happens without consequences. RP wise, I can tell everyone will lose. Everyone. If you wanted a tepid general story where there was little to no dynamic, where you were fine and content in your little corner where nothing really ever happened in terms of actual story, then we had that for the better part of ten years.
So, yeah. Stuff happens, stuff will happen. Because I can say that we as players had enough of stuff not happening for the past years. The Gallic invasion arc has 8 to 9 years. It has to end.
As for the difference in Corsair/Zoner/Bretonian power in the region, we can agree that while you have two corsair battlegroups in Bretonia, there is none in the Omegas apart from their fortified positions in 47, 5 and 41.
So uh.
Yeah. I think we can agree that has to change too.
Its not the case of change, i enjoy the change of plot and story which is fine but again its alot of things unexplained with alot of "we have done this because we can" again with the case of the 1.8 Million Marines and all that, Bretonia is on its last legs with its Capitol Planet under siege even though Bretonia still has control over Cambridge Manchester and so on so
A: Why Go and Annex a planet from a Neutral Party and Anger further the Corsairs
B: Where does it have these resources in which to do so?
Plot wise we are led to believe Bretonia is on its knees that its struggling to push back the Gallic War Machine and the only reason its holding its own is because its called whatever ships it has along with Liberty to shore up its defensive line. YET it somehow has enough strength to Annex a planet, take on the two aforementioned Corsair battle groups along with whatever resistance the Zoners wanted to try and drum up, its alot to swallow.
What i meant about consequence is in rp you have made it seem like the Marines got planet side took over everything without ANY issue, like none. as i say it does feel like its a "Open your mouth and take what i give you" situation (and yes context the crap out of that)
(02-07-2019, 11:13 AM)Aazalot Wrote: Its not the case of change, i enjoy the change of plot and story which is fine but again its alot of things unexplained with alot of "we have done this because we can" again with the case of the 1.8 Million Marines and all that, Bretonia is on its last legs with its Capitol Planet under siege even though Bretonia still has control over Cambridge Manchester and so on so
A: Why Go and Annex a planet from a Neutral Party and Anger further the Corsairs
B: Where does it have these resources in which to do so?
Plot wise we are led to believe Bretonia is on its knees that its struggling to push back the Gallic War Machine and the only reason its holding its own is because its called whatever ships it has along with Liberty to shore up its defensive line. YET it somehow has enough strength to Annex a planet, take on the two aforementioned Corsair battle groups along with whatever resistance the Zoners wanted to try and drum up, its alot to swallow.
What i meant about consequence is in rp you have made it seem like the Marines got planet side took over everything without ANY issue, like none. as i say it does feel like its a "Open your mouth and take what i give you" situation (and yes context the crap out of that)
I could go on maths here regarding the actual size of troop numbers of a House, but that will just derail this.
A: Because, hey, the Corsairs are already shooting Bretonia (ex: Fes/Athos). Also, Liberty did it first, taking away a good planet and system off the zoner hands. With the potential loss of New London, you got to get a fallback and shifting billions of people to a planet Bretonia does not control is kinda.. stupid?
B: Stirling is a Nessie class. 200 years old. Can't go toe to toe in a front line fight against Gauls. Also (but this is personal rp the next bit) I attached the Hellbound to the Stirling TF. It's a (hopefully one day) 90% Osiris. Also not good for front line detail against Gallic onslaught. For that matter I don't see Athos doing front-line action as well in New London. So yes, Bretonia used second rate assets to move in. As for the 1.8 millions, again, I can go for it in another thread if you so wish.
We didn't took any of the aforementioned corsair battlegroups in fight. Omega-49 != New London/ Cambridge. Athos and Fes. Corsair presence in the planet was if anything, very small. Pre-invasion infocard of Gran Canaria stated 50k Corsairs total on planet. Space-wise, no battlegroup present, no fortified positions or bases.
And tell me what happens when a 1.8 million strong professional army rolls over a 500k civilian locale.
Guys who played for zoners, sorry me, but everybody can RP there whatever they want. Its your right play along it and belive in that. Yes they wrote about 1.8 million soldiers. But is it was needed to believe in it? Maybe was needed to just think on minute and imagine how much dropships they require just for landing it, and how any land operation of this scale could've freezed by simple sabotaging of gran canaria dock rings?
But zoners community just decided go out, every oppositional RP went in key, where nobody who could've help you, cant know about you in really oppositional. Zoners community first time just told to everybody around, how they peaceful and neutral, zoners community just laughed on Toris, and while he for real appeared incompetent in any sort of revolutionary RP, zoners community didnt created anything serious around what opposition movement could've form.
Instead of setting temporary zoners goverment on Gran Canaria, with full authoricy and power to make decisions, and form any oppositions around of it, zoners, as always just leaved it. Damn, even just form this goverment for dialog with Bretonia could've gain more benefits for you.
While Stirling itself was pushed as hell, zoners nohow inRP didnt indicated that they ready fight for their independence. You all know, there were plenty another forces around, which were watching, they waited just any sights that you ready, that you worth to fight along with you.
But inRP zoners dont formed any adequate, centralised opposition and began evacuate the planet.
So please, while i understand entirely your complains, zoners inRP choosed NEUTRALITY which not equal to INDEPENDENCE. Its even interesting, but this mindset lead to same consequences IRL too. There no mistakes in devs decisions, they gave input to you, and you themselve decided how play around it. And you hadnt figural Dev's smoking barrel at your head, cos any your actions couldnt made this situation worse for Zoners.
What i want say. Guys, maybe its time when zoners factions want decide finally, what they want, neutrality, or independence, and play from it.
There i see just excellent played informational war from Bretonia, about how annex things by small forces, while annexing side cant decide what they should do with it.