(04-30-2015, 04:17 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: I happen to disagree, given how little power Zoners have ingame the FR5 is one of the few ways Zoners can force their neutrality on groups, want to use Zoner bases, play by our rules.
The issue isn't with Zoners playing their role and applying their neutrality, it's just that the way they do so contains far too much power and can be detrimental to gameplay when used. If there was a less destructive alternative that would be cool.
Then again 'Zoner Power' is quite abstract. Zoners going around and FR5ing individuals left and right may not prove ruinous, but doing such to groups inRP could prove fatal to their interests. I always sort of imagined Zoners would lean towards more passive solutions as to how they manage their neutrality, such as appeasement of the locals rather than taking direct action.
(04-30-2015, 04:17 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: Something that I think the Core is familiar with, or even Junkers, by your own logic Junkers shouldn't FR5 anyone in Liberty, after all Rochester is the only close friendly base after all, and we don't want to harm gameplay...
Not true. You have Buffalo and the Liberty Rogue Destroyer as viable alternatives in the same system for ships that become hostile to Junkers to dock on. Honestly if I saw that Junker FR5s were as detrimental to server gameplay as Zoner ones were I'd step away from the privileges. Lawful bases don't really need to be mentioned because they're everywhere in New York.
(04-30-2015, 04:17 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: Further more, if we are going to strip Zoners of their right to maintain and control their bases I think all House Laws should be removed, to help game-play obviously, and lets let everyone land on everything, make it fair right...
I don't see how Houses should get the same treatment. Firstly they're not actually a generic faction, but rather a house. Secondly being booted out of a house for whatever reason isn't as detrimental as being booted from Zoner bases. Your point is hard to answer because you don't give any clear examples, whereas with Zoner bases Order ships being red to them has caused Order activity to take a hit.
(04-30-2015, 04:32 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: I always sort of imagined Zoners would lean towards more passive solutions as to how they manage their neutrality, such as appeasement of the locals rather than taking direct action.
And I imagine them another way. In this manner rules have been set, rules must be followed, the rules where already created to appease as many people as possible. Direct Action is reserved for those who don't follow the rules (after all whats the point of a rule if there isn't a consequence)
(04-30-2015, 04:32 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: Not true. You have Buffalo and the Liberty Rogue Destroyer as viable alternatives in the same system for ships that become hostile to Junkers to dock on.
Not if I'm an independent pirate who doesn't want to buy bribes, which as long as this thread has gone many people have forgotten, this is an Pirate ID'ed player getting upset at getting caught.
(04-30-2015, 04:32 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: whereas with Zoner bases Order ships being red to them has caused Order activity to take a hit.
Order Zoner relations are caused by OORP hate, in much the same manner OSI was banned from Rhineland, if the Order wants to land on Zoner bases again they can rebuild that relationship (and I can sit and laugh as its denied, much in the same way Rhineland refuses to talk with OSI)
(04-30-2015, 04:32 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: Secondly being booted out of a house for whatever reason isn't as detrimental as being booted from Zoner bases
Really, its less detrimental to be kicked out of a house, with all its stations, than to be banned from a few Zoners stations in which there are plenty of alternative landing areas.
And finally
(04-30-2015, 04:17 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: Now that I've gotten the sarcasm out of my system why does anyone care what happens to an independent pirate anyways, every other (offical) pirate group has come to an understanding about how and when they can use Zoner Bases for strikes against lawful groups. Using a close neutral base due to laziness and getting caught is hilarious, moaning about getting in trouble is not.
We aren't discussing Order here, the thread clearly says Freeports and Pirates, make your own thread if you want to argue about the FR5 (yes I know you did but that horse has been beat to death already)
I'm just sitting here, wondering why Zoners hasn't been massacred by the House Militaries already as guys who try to enforce neutrality that is against "house laws" and they won't assimiliate with "civilised ones".
Is Omega 3 House space now and does a house have the power to take down a FP?
I am wondering because I have seen something similar voiced a long time ago about a Freeport in a system adjacent to a capital system and this discussion seems familiar.
FR5 however was not considered an option as it was detrimental to gameplay for a large proportion of the playerbase. Not as detrimental as what followed but haters gonna hate.