(02-01-2017, 09:59 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: First part. Anyone in any story being written will make pretenses on how their character 'acts' and 'reacts' Being as to get angry or sad, to express emotion.
That is correct. That is normal. Everyone does that. But they don't write things specifically only antropomorphic animals could do, like "growling" (although done by some humans as well, subconciously), "readying their claws", or "getting ready to pounce". What I meant by that was, if I were to RP with you in space, and you'd write things like those, that are so explicably "furry", it's what happens. And anyone can just do that, yes. But if it's just something that has never been adressed in Vanilla, has not been implemented by a story dev, admin or overlord space kitty, has been brought up by many of the community to disrupt their immersion or just - in their opinion - be nonsensical and in the end got greened to be removed from Discovery's RP because of the majority going "No, that's not working for us (the community) and Discovery as a Universe", then it's something you have to accept and refrain from doing in system chat.
(02-01-2017, 09:59 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: Second. If you saw under the first post, I stated I had dropped the whole genetic experimentation with all of my characters except one because he is an altered clone. So I'm no longer going to go into such an arguement as it no longer reflects my characters.
Then if it doesn't reflect your character, what does? If he is a human, and still has the same goals, attitude, wishes, fears, I don't see any loss and no need for any of these threads. But apparently there are reasons for them, since there have been many so far. Also, the genetic alteration thread-of-thought was an example. It was to pave the way to the question "But why?". If you wanted to RP an antropomorphic animal and go down the path of genetic experimentation, why would the humans do so?
Either to USE these animals - like the humans are doing IRL right now. Making Human-Pig hybrids, simply to produce organs - or to alter themselves for whatever reason they have. And the only reason I could think of was fetishism, really. I couldn't think of a reason why anyone would want to risk being feared, hated or even hunted, just to have a tail and fuzzy ears.
I simply don't believe that the humans - be it in the past, present, future, or the Discovery Freelancer Universe - would ever try to create a new species, just to have it exist. We are creatures working for our own kind's benefit, Period. That's just how we work.
(02-01-2017, 09:59 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: Third. Believe it or not. People HAVE roleplayed to hunt down my characters. Please do if you want to I have no issue in people still trying to do so. But not under the pretext of say "Strolls into the Bundestag and guns down every person present, then leaves".
I myself don't roleplay xenophobic characters yet, except UN| which are mostly just pursuing to help their own house with rather radical measures. But that is good. Not that your character got hunted, but because it - probably - brought roleplay. However, in combination with the question "But why?" from the second part, why would anyone risk this? Imagine being in this situation: There's Morpheus from the Matrix in front of you, telling you "Go on with your human life, like you're used to, or take this pill, turn into a half-fox, but be feared, hated and hunted by many"
Now tell me honestly, would you take the pill? Just to have fox ears, paws, a tail and fur?
(02-01-2017, 10:19 PM)Char Aznable Wrote: For Christ's sake Bret, no, this is not about your character depth or whatever. It is you trying to fit something into the game that doesn't. Fit. Into. It.
Your character can be as deep and well-thought out as you want him to be, if he is a furry, he doesn't fit. Period. End of discussion. And the question is: If your character is as deep as you claim him to be, so much more than his fur and claws, then why not play a human and be done with it?
I can answer that question for you. Because you think that you're being attacked here. You aren't. You are the one consistently trying to circumvent and discuss something that has been agreed on by most of the community, be they part of the furry fandom or not. It is getting to a point where you are ridiculing yourself, and I would advise you to stop.
Char. For me to fully play as a human character, as I stated before, gets to a point where there's no point in doing such cause you already know how people will react and RP towards it. It's like having the same meal day after day after day. At one point you will get tired and bored of it, wanting something else.
I know I in particular am not being attacked, its the story I'm writing (That I believe) is being attacked. Like you, or any other people with a story, you would try to defend it. Just like Petitioner said above with the Hellfire Legion.
I'm trying to discuss such because anyone else on a topic they support, would try to defend. Like you would for the 343.
Just for the record I'm surprised that we're having a civil discussion on this even if we disagree, so thank you. Same to others here doing the same.
To you and others. Is there a possibility of finding a middle ground to all this?
(02-01-2017, 10:32 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: Char. For me to fully play as a human character, as I stated before, gets to a point where there's no point in doing such cause you already know how people will react and RP towards it. It's like having the same meal day after day after day. At one point you will get tired and bored of it, wanting something else.
I disagree. I've been playing the same character for six years, and only recently figured out how to put him on the wiki. There's always more you can do with a character to keep them exciting, and I don't see how adding fur, claws or an alternate backstory relating to the addition of another alien species with fur or claws is in any way beneficial to the development of the character in an environment where those things do not fit or exist. (Side note: I didn't read in to the revision story, and don't plan to, so don't cite me on it)
I haven't gotten bored of playing my character in that time. I've gotten bored of the community, but not my character, since I could disappear for a year only to come back and pick it right up again.
(02-01-2017, 10:32 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: To you and others. Is there a possibility of finding a middle ground to all this?
Bret, you've got a lot of outstanding ability as a roleplayer and contributor to this place. Don't get me wrong - Interacting with your characters every time I've done so, be it TAZ, BAF - Any of them, really. They've been enjoyable encounters, especially recently when speaking to them felt as though they belonged in this small universe that Discovery is. I've roleplayed with Toris' characters, including Cody Faulkner, and I enjoyed the interaction. The breaking point of that was the whole plot twist of them being some kind of animal-human hybrid.
At that point, it stops being fun.
I don't find it fun. The majority of the community that openly spoke out against the idea of furries in Freelancer do not find it fun.
The reactions you're getting are negative. They're not surprise or shock, they're just outright irritated people who had wool pulled over their eyes for a long period of time, only to have the news broken to them and their immersion sort of ruined.
Does that mean I discredited their existence as characters after interacting? No, but do I acknowledge the furry rp aspects of them? No, I don't. I won't and never will, because it doesn't belong here.
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(02-01-2017, 10:32 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote:
(02-01-2017, 10:19 PM)Char Aznable Wrote: For Christ's sake Bret, no, this is not about your character depth or whatever. It is you trying to fit something into the game that doesn't. Fit. Into. It.
Your character can be as deep and well-thought out as you want him to be, if he is a furry, he doesn't fit. Period. End of discussion. And the question is: If your character is as deep as you claim him to be, so much more than his fur and claws, then why not play a human and be done with it?
I can answer that question for you. Because you think that you're being attacked here. You aren't. You are the one consistently trying to circumvent and discuss something that has been agreed on by most of the community, be they part of the furry fandom or not. It is getting to a point where you are ridiculing yourself, and I would advise you to stop.
Char. For me to fully play as a human character, as I stated before, gets to a point where there's no point in doing such cause you already know how people will react and RP towards it.
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To you and others. Is there a possibility of finding a middle ground to all this?
Yes. You stop roleplaying as a furry.
All Humans have /billions/ of different traits and almost infinite ways of having stories to make it so interesting. If people are being twats, thats their loss. I know they do when I roleplay, but I still push on. Because it's fun and makes it interesting because it's within the FL universe and within FL constraints. Restrictions make it a little bit more fun.
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(02-01-2017, 09:59 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote:
(02-01-2017, 09:00 PM)Petitioner Wrote: If your characters still have fur, then you haven't adapted the lore enough.
Then it is at that point as you so stated "The third response is to refuse to accept the way things are and ragequit the community."
Okay.
(02-01-2017, 10:32 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: For me to fully play as a human character, as I stated before, gets to a point where there's no point in doing such cause you already know how people will react and RP towards it.
"I have to roleplay something ridiculous because everyone else roleplays too predictably for my liking" is a weak argument. Maybe you just need to make your characters different some other way.
(02-01-2017, 10:32 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: To you and others. Is there a possibility of finding a middle ground to all this?
I'm always a fan of civil discussions, especially with people that I disagree with.
I think I kind of at least understand your point why you're not playing humans (even though I disagree with them, there's plenty of ways to make human characters interesting), but... To be perfectly honest with you, I don't think there's much of a middle ground to seek here. As much as I'd like to have one, because I do like finding something that everyone can agree on - I believe that in this case, there's not much room for that. In the same way that I wouldn't try to force someone to speak german when they are playing in Rheinland, I don't want furries to be part of Discovery lore. Sorry to be so direct/harsh here, but I (and that's me subjectively) don't think they fit in the Freelancer universe very well, which used to be unique in that it was a universe shaped by humans. I am opposed to furries in Disco in the same way as I am opposed to Nomads, Wild and AI being available to everyone.
(02-01-2017, 09:59 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: First part. Anyone in any story being written will make pretenses on how their character 'acts' and 'reacts' Being as to get angry or sad, to express emotion.
That is correct. That is normal. Everyone does that. But they don't write things specifically only antropomorphic animals could do, like "growling" (although done by some humans as well, subconciously), "readying their claws", or "getting ready to pounce". What I meant by that was, if I were to RP with you in space, and you'd write things like those, that are so explicably "furry", it's what happens. And anyone can just do that, yes. But if it's just something that has never been adressed in Vanilla, has not been implemented by a story dev, admin or overlord space kitty, has been brought up by many of the community to disrupt their immersion or just - in their opinion - be nonsensical and in the end got greened to be removed from Discovery's RP because of the majority going "No, that's not working for us (the community) and Discovery as a Universe", then it's something you have to accept and refrain from doing in system chat.
One thing you will see if you ask others who have RP'd with me in space. Extremely rarely do I do such. It doesn't hold the same context like on the forums because you have extremely limited text capabilities. Plus for me it doesn't fit. One time I can recall that I did that was an incident was during a Leeds defense raid back when Leeds itself was under BAF| control. A fight broke out with my characters Evyn and Feya Wildcat and Fallenknight RP'd having to board my ship to place both in handcuffs due to assaulting another officer.
(02-01-2017, 10:28 PM)kenshin156 Wrote:
(02-01-2017, 09:59 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: Second. If you saw under the first post, I stated I had dropped the whole genetic experimentation with all of my characters except one because he is an altered clone. So I'm no longer going to go into such an arguement as it no longer reflects my characters.
Then if it doesn't reflect your character, what does? If he is a human, and still has the same goals, attitude, wishes, fears, I don't see any loss and no need for any of these threads. But apparently there are reasons for them, since there have been many so far. Also, the genetic alteration thread-of-thought was an example. It was to pave the way to the question "But why?". If you wanted to RP an antropomorphic animal and go down the path of genetic experimentation, why would the humans do so?
Either to USE these animals - like the humans are doing IRL right now. Making Human-Pig hybrids, simply to produce organs - or to alter themselves for whatever reason they have. And the only reason I could think of was fetishism, really. I couldn't think of a reason why anyone would want to risk being feared, hated or even hunted, just to have a tail and fuzzy ears.
I simply don't believe that the humans - be it in the past, present, future, or the Discovery Freelancer Universe - would ever try to create a new species, just to have it exist. We are creatures working for our own kind's benefit, Period. That's just how we work.
There are people in this world that want to help each other. Then there are others who want to see the world just burn.
One man can create a cure for one issue, but it turns into poison for another.
At first when I thought of creating these characters, I thought genetic experimentation would offer a solid point to start on. I was wrong. And I admit that. There are those who would argue for and against it. While I got tired of defending it, I also saw it as an opprotunity to try something else and see where that went.
(02-01-2017, 10:28 PM)kenshin156 Wrote:
(02-01-2017, 09:59 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: Third. Believe it or not. People HAVE roleplayed to hunt down my characters. Please do if you want to I have no issue in people still trying to do so. But not under the pretext of say "Strolls into the Bundestag and guns down every person present, then leaves".
I myself don't roleplay xenophobic characters yet, except UN| which are mostly just pursuing to help their own house with rather radical measures. But that is good. Not that your character got hunted, but because it - probably - brought roleplay. However, in combination with the question "But why?" from the second part, why would anyone risk this? Imagine being in this situation: There's Morpheus from the Matrix in front of you, telling you "Go on with your human life, like you're used to, or take this pill, turn into a half-fox, but be feared, hated and hunted by many"
Now tell me honestly, would you take the pill? Just to have fox ears, paws, a tail and fur?
Over time some good roleplay and bad came from it, some for serious, but a lot of it for trolling.
And for the last bit, I'll bite. Believe it or not I can name six good friends of mine and one family member who would take that pill in an instant and myself. Because they have grown tired of some of the aspects that humanity as of late has become. And that's all on this subject I'm going to discuss on because otherwise we'd be going too far from the subject at hand.