I know this was already discussed 'n stuff all over the forum but please, this is a serious question to everyone of you.
Short Summary ;
- There is a ID that overwrites all existing rules if neccessary.
- There is a rule that says that PoB's are no bases actually, they are just taken as players (eg. no engagement without prior RP etc.)
- There is a rule that overwrites the ID back again
So, the Zoner ID says ;
Quote:Pilot carrying this quasi-lawful ID is a Zoner, who:
- Can attack any ship in self-defense, to protect another Zoner ship, or in defense of Zoner bases. - Cannot dock Cruisers and Battleships on any base (inclusive player owned bases) within any house, except on Zoner bases. - Cannot dock transports with more than 3,600 cargo within any House, except on GMG, IMG or Zoner bases.
- Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
Also, the ID overwrites every rule so this rule set by the staff gets invalid ;
Quote:-What is your ID: Check your ID. Does it say "-Cannot dock transports with more than 3,600 cargo within any House, except on <insert name here> bases.", or "-Cannot dock Cruisers and Battleships on any base within any house, except <insert name here> bases."? If so, then sadly you cannot dock on a POB that either you built or that is the same IFF of your affiliation if you are in a transport bigger than 3,600 or a Cruiser or bigger.
And this rule applies to that quee ;
Quote:-What is a POB in terms of server rules: A POB is not considered an NPC base, but is player made/owned (obviously). This also means that the IFF, the docking rights, and the weapons (Placement, type, etc) is all under control of the player. Since this is the case, it was decided by the admins that it is not considered a NPC affiliation base that you can dock on outside of ID rules.
That says that the PoB is no more than a usual player. So docking is fully legal. Note ; The ID still overwrites all existing rules
Why does someone (the admin team) apply a rule on a ID that overwrites all existing rules? Please?
What do the others think about this rule mess? Please only give me serious feedback about this, it's not like I am joking or something on this. And it's not about the money I lost about my sanction no, it's just the way the rules apply doesn't seem correct.
Zoner caps and such cannot dock on hose space bases, except those of the zoner, img, gmg factions.
Pob are not considered faction x bases.
Said pob is in house space.
Zoner caps cannot dock on house space bases, except those of the zoner, img or gmg.
The ID forbids, and since the question was asked many times before, pob were declared that they are not faction x bases , zoner or otherwise.
But PoB's are treaten like players in the rules. They are just static about their movement and are much more powerful than one, otherwise you can treat it like a player in any way.
I am pretty sure it has been explained by Finn or someone that pobs are not exemptions to Zoner 5k'ers and caps. They should not dock there, and if they do, it is a rule violation. End of the story.
Yeah, don't complicate stuff up xD
the rules there are a mess but whats important is that, as a zoner, you keep up thezoner RP ... and not put yourselvein messy "rules loophole" situations xD
Just move on.
On a side note about the saction: given what happened i think a simple warning would sufice, but that's just an opinion
(02-21-2014, 10:36 AM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: This excludes POBs because POB IFFs can be changed at will. Not to mention, Zoners don't have bases inside House space; that exception exists for Bethlehem Station in Pennsylvania.
True, but if the POB IFF is set to GMG/IMG/Zoner and it is officially registered as a GMG/IMG/Zoner base, it should be allowed to dock. Otherwise, the wording should be changed to specifically exclude POBs.
Problems would arise if someone were to place a Zoner POB at, say, Planet New London, then people could park Zoner caps and Whales in the middle of Bretonia "coz Zoner base", thus violating the spirit of the rules...
(02-21-2014, 10:36 AM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: This excludes POBs because POB IFFs can be changed at will. Not to mention, Zoners don't have bases inside House space; that exception exists for Bethlehem Station in Pennsylvania.
True, but if the POB IFF is set to GMG/IMG/Zoner and it is officially registered as a GMG/IMG/Zoner base, it should be allowed to dock. Otherwise, the wording should be changed to specifically exclude POBs.
No, you are not allowed to dock there.
You shouldn't try to run with everything you have against me, just because your own hate against me.
I've read jansens statement. But Admins make rules, so this is a rule that gets overwritten by the ID as stated here :
Quote:1.3 Every player must have one ID equipped on their ship. Player should follow the restrictions and allowances listed in their ID and their roleplay and conduct must match the actions of their characters. In cases where these restrictions and allowances conflict with the server rules, the ID overrides the rules.
And this rule applies to that quee ;
Quote:-What is a POB in terms of server rules: A POB is not considered an NPC base, but is player made/owned (obviously). This also means that the IFF, the docking rights, and the weapons (Placement, type, etc) is all under control of the player. Since this is the case, it was decided by the admins that it is not considered a NPC affiliation base that you can dock on outside of ID rules.
However, this was just meant to snak3 this one post here, because it seems like he is hating me a lot. Insulting someone on skype, blocking him, getting back to him, and then deleting him again. Childish, isn't it? Well.. please... Snak3 wasn't meant bad to you but pls don't hate me for stuff you are doing wtih your Ageira~ company now (eg. you are ganking a Xenos Bomber with 6 (3 ageira bisons) and some navy's... Ha. And you've insulted me for that the UTC had ganked the LH a lot? Well.. Cool Bro. I've never done anything against you, the others ever called the gank force not me.. and that's the sad thing on this, you are seeking revenge in me, even if I've done nothing to you)
No, you cannot dock on Zoner PoBs in house space wiht Caps (Gunboats not included) and transports with more than 3600 cargo. Dont try to find a way around this rule, please. There are tons of other places where you can park your big shippy.
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