(12-17-2014, 06:51 PM)Anomander Wrote: IMHO killing NPC for the purpose of cargo theft (opposite of defense or killing during missions)
is a violation of rules:
Quote:1.3 Player should follow the restrictions and allowances listed in their ID
and their roleplay and conduct must match the actions of their characters.
Since in FL-ID or any other non-pirate ID / semi-lawfull ID there is no line about stealing cargo.
Every ID has a line about acting in self-defense. So it is indeed okay to shoot transport npcs, if they shoot you first/are hostile towards you. I mean come on... otherwise you'd have to blame every player, who literally farms Nomad npcs for remains.
(12-17-2014, 06:51 PM)Anomander Wrote:
Quote:2. Discovery Freelancer 24/7 RP is a roleplaying server. Roleplaying is required while playing here.
Since such killing is an metagaming / ooRP action.
It isn't if you act within your characters roleplay. A Freelancer who chooses to be hostile to faction X should also be allowed to shoot their npcs outside of missions, because it would be indeed oorp -not- to do it.
In general, I think npc piracy is totally okay, if done within rp reason. Meaning:
- not shooting transports infront of a neutral/friendly station, because stations have no-fire zones usually
- shooting npcs which are hostile or you plan on getting on hostile (one might argue that bribing the factions you pirate back up might be inrp - not sure about that)
I also doubt that people who do the power- metagame version of this are new players. Legitimately new players usually do missions and wonder why the missions are so hard. To capitalize from npc piracy you have to have a certain amount of experience, especially if you plan to powerplay it. I doubt any new player would get the idea to pirate npcs right infront of that specific Zoner base without either experience or someone experienced, who taught him to do so.
AH, I thought it was about Freelancer IFF but Pirate ID players. If it is okay, I'm fine by that. Yet new plague of the Freelancer ID pirates is... well... strange.
About NPC piracy - someone claimed I can... let's say, being LSF, attack anyone in self-defence of the NPC units being destroyed. So if you are caught during NPC piracy, sorry, I must fine your or kill you. The ID says so and I can treat both Player and NPC vessels as allied or neutral.
You are getting mad at a FL killing NPCs? Are you for real? that is SUCH A LOAD OF SHIZ
FL ID can shot it down no problem for NPCs. What? Does the ID state otherwise? No. Do they have to claim on the bounty board every time they kill an NPC? No. Who the hell cares?
Go cry at an IMPORTANT matter. NPCs are not people so really who cares. It doesnt effect you so move on.
(12-17-2014, 09:05 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: You are getting mad at a FL killing NPCs? Are you for real? that is SUCH A LOAD OF SHIZ
FL ID can shot it down no problem for NPCs. What? Does the ID state otherwise? No. Do they have to claim on the bounty board every time they kill an NPC? No. Who the hell cares?
Go cry at an IMPORTANT matter. NPCs are not people so really who cares. It doesnt effect you so move on.
Whoa there. Take it easy tiger. No need to rage. This is a calm discussion. No need to incite a riot or anything.
As far as the op goes, I'm not going to beat anyone with a banhammer for farming NPC's. Hawk might, but he's the mean one.
You pirate NPCs? Okay. But when I get you and I'm allied or neutral to those NPCs, I can hunt you, because every ID allows to help at least allied vessels.
Don't moan when I turn your ship into plasma ball, shortly after.
So why would FL ID person be punished for shooting a computer generated pixel that has no feelings?
Even if you would want to sanction someone there would have to be a reason for it since , and i quote, from the sanction page:
Quote: Ask yourself the following questions - If your answers to these might be a little sketchy, odds are your report will be too.
Am I filing a relatively petty report because I’m currently angry?
If you’re a little hot under the collar, the Sandwich Rule* always helps to keep yourself from looking silly. Just step back for half an hour, then come back and decide whether or not it’s worth pursuing.
Do I really have enough evidence to make this stick?
Sanctions won’t go through unless sufficient evidence is provided of the report. You were there for the entire incident, yep, but the administration was not. All we have to go by is what you give us. Is that enough?
Is what this person did really worth removing all his credits and guns?
That’s the standard punishment for server offenses. Is what the suspect did serious enough to warrant this sort of punishment?
Is this person clearly just a new player who doesn’t know better yet?
You should know by now that while most of the rules are common-sense, we’ve got a lot of ‘em. Go ahead, swap tabs to that list you’ve got open. There’s a lot of them, and to new players that can be daunting, or perhaps they haven’t even seen the forums yet. If you suspect someone of being a new player, unless the violation is serious, you’re better off pointing them in the right direction than slapping them with a violation. Remember, we were all in their shoes at one point.
Pretty much TL;DR the admins are not here to regulate what happens really between NPCs and Players. A FL Farming NPCs would have them all attacking him anyway. So exactly how is it bad?
further more there is no plauge and if you are concerned about someone making money fast then go look at P-scrap and all that mining bongo.
there is just no reason to sanction a FL IDed player for an agressive move against an NPC. they have no feelings. they dont care. You are not the final nail of disco for shooting at NPCs
Allied only. Not neutral well unless FL IDed... but a FL ID cannot just claim that for an NPC
Edit:
(12-17-2014, 06:51 PM)Anomander Wrote: Since such killing is an metagaming / ooRP action.
You are here since 2010 and you still dont know what metagaming is?
that is like flinging random words and hoping you are right.
Also here is the FL ID:
Quote: Pilot carrying this quasi-lawful ID is a Freelancer, who:
Can attack any ship in self-defense or to protect an allied or neutral ship.
Can fulfill any bounty and escort contracts, and may treat transports as combat targets when executing a bounty or escort contract against them.
Cannot use any transports with more than 3,600 cargo, except for the Pirate Train.
Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
So you see: they can shoot NPCs
EDIT:
ONE MORE THING
so you are in a convoy and you see 5 NPCs blocking a jump gate. they are neutral to you. I have YET to see someone get sanctioned for shooting at the NPCs and killing them.
NPCs are not important. the rules IMO should not count towards them at ALL
I'm speaking about law enforcement ID and BHG IDs.
They can kill you if you pirate NPCs, because their ID allows them to support neutral and allied vessels. No matter if that vessel is computer based or player based.
But the thing with piracy is are you going to RP with a computer "DROP YOU CARGO AT ONCE" and then wait 20 seconds?
no
but nomnom that is a rule violation!
Exactly.
Im not tlaking about in game consequences. Im talking about the OP's comment about SANCTIONING something dumb like shooting an NPC and someone else reporting about it
I'm not talking about self-defence - since all you people have right to doing so
I'm talking about shooting random NPC - just because it haul valuable cargo.
Those particular player were killing neutral / hostile / allied NPC - just for the cargo
and THAT is just nonsense inRP - and that is imho metagaming.
If they really want pirate cargo that much - then they should use Pirate ID
and do not sit just in front of neutral bases...
(12-17-2014, 09:05 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Does the ID state otherwise? No. Do they have to claim on the bounty board every time they kill an NPC? No. Who the hell cares?
I care and I'm not crying - I just express my concern about the matter.
About ID :
Quote:Pilot carrying this ID is a Freelancer, who:
- Can attack any ship in self-defense or to protect an allied or neutral ship.
- Can fulfill any bounty and escort contracts, and may treat transports as combat targets
when executing a bounty or escort contract against them.
- Cannot use any transports with more than 3,600 cargo, except for the Pirate Train.
- Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.
Could You show me where there is a line that Freelancer CAN pirate NPC? There is no such a line
futhermore - there is a line that Freelancer "cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above"
So - IMHO - killing NPC in purpose of pirating their cargo by Freelancer ID players
is against the rules, since there is no bounty on NPC, there is no escort - just piracy.