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(06-30-2016, 03:43 AM)Arioch Wrote:
(06-30-2016, 03:37 AM)Petitioner Wrote: ... But as awful as that is, you cannot simply deflect legitimate criticism by saying "I do it for free, I'm here for fun, and people disagreeing with the team's actions equates to personal harassment of myself". When you became an administrator, you accepted certain responsibilities, and responsibility is not always fun. You are entirely, at any time, within your rights to leave for any reason, but this attitude you're displaying in response to my attempts to apologetically explain the position that I (and other members of the community) hold regarding today's events is just disrespectful.
I was not nor am deflecting it, contrary to what it looks like (Apologies if it does). There is a HUGE difference between legitimate criticism and harassment. Those who have asked me why via PM or calmly, I answered when I could. I didn't deflect, but I also recognize the value of not opening up a can of worms publically that can be taken out of context, versus a PM or 1:1 where i can speak calmly. So sorry if it seems I'm deflecting, but the ratio of calm, legitimate criticism and questions is vastly overshadowed by the hate, threats, and hostile negativity shown today over pixels.
Right. I'm sorry if I seem hostile or defensive, because, again, I don't know the entire situation. I'm sorry that you have to go through any of the things you've dealt with -- and the same goes to anyone else here, staff or no, who's ever been treated that way -- but I feel like I have to voice these concerns in case nobody else will. I really hope that everyone can come to an understanding about this soon, because this whole situation has become extremely inflammatory in a very short period of time and it's doing no good for anyone at all.
Petitioner is in the right of it. The situation is bad, but right now the only thing that can be done without starting another fire is to give it a small amount of time to let everyone cool off.
(06-30-2016, 02:44 AM)Explorer487 Wrote: The Admin team clearly banned people for a reason and it wasn't a decision that was made lightly.
Oh, of course, the "they must've done something wrong if they got banned" mentality. Germans in the 1940s had a similar mentality concerning the Jews. The admins need to provide this community with sufficient evidence if they are going to purge the playerbase. We cannot assume the banned members are in the wrong just because they were punished. I'll cool down after the admins update their "Heavy Decision" post with evidence for each specific ban and proof of their warnings to said players beforehand, as they are bound to do by the list of rules they themselves designed.
Also, I find it funny how the majority of the banned players voiced their ill-opinions of the staff's decisions at one point or another. Making matter worse, some posts regarding the recent bans have been made invisible to the community in what seems like an attempt to suppress the opinions of those that disagree with the admins. The entire scenario has the eery feeling of the beginning of a dictator-like staff.
It got my point across, didn't it? Don't let that one sentence take away from the matter at hand.
Edit: From the looks of the comments I'm reading from you on skype, it seems you have a deep personal hatred for the banned players. Maybe you know something I don't.
To those of you who attack the admins because of these bans: You are completely unaware of the reasons and the context, because I can say for one of the banned that they were very experienced with portraying themselves as victims to the outside. But behind the curtain of the public stage, the very same attitude dropped a level where describing it as "absolutely toxic" would be an extreme understatement.
To those screaming conspiracy, you just don't know the full picture. And if we want to avoid trial by forum, it'll probably stay this way. Accept that the staff knows the full picture here and they cast their decisions based on that. And throwing tantrums because of this is not going to help anyone, nor convince anyone of your "argument". If you want to be mad over this, please do so in a silent corner and return when you can think clearly again.
To the staff: I don't know what tipped the scales regarding the bans of the other five, but I'll trust your judgement on this regard. If you receive mean (or worse) PMs, my best advice is to not let them get to you.
I myself often jumped on the train of extremely criticizing your decisions, but with growing experience I've come to realise how pointless it is if I don't know the full picture, and how stupid it was.
I trust that you did the right thing in your eyes, and I can agree on one of the bans where I know the context.
You have been doing a good job in my eyes, even if I don't always agree. The players who are displaying this toxic attitude to you in PMs can eventually be added to the list, if you feel like it's necessary to do so.
Just realise that those who want to display themselves as the vocal majority may not always be that majority. A lot of community members are rallying behind you, while the ones with the pitchforks are mostly those from the friend circle of the banned.
I never thought that this day will come, because it took a long time .. but i am surprised actually and can't believe it till this moment !
I have seen tens of players, and i mean tens of players leaving this beautiful and well organized community and game server because of some of these banned names. I, myself, left the server and requested by my own hands to be banned using @Xenon nickname because i was so angry from the admin team... Why i was angry? Simply because i kinda figured so easy that most of those banned players were trouble makers and i didn't have enough proofs so when i just imagine what are the amount of proofs that i can grab if i was an administrator here, i find that they will be a lot of proofs that i can find .. and that fact was making me angry thinking that the admins have some kind of reasons which i can't understand, forbidding them from banning such known and famous trouble makers.
Now, i am shocked! .. because what i thought will never happen, just happened and from my point of view, the discovery community and game server just removed a big barricade from it's way because that barricade was very sophisticated and complicated ...
The worst thing that can happen to an honest admin, is to deprive someone from playing. because honest admins care a lot about the work happened and still happening on this server, so rest assured that the admins are very annoyed by this decision BUT .. it was the right decision ladies and gents. I know some people will hate me for saying my point of view, but i won't blame them, because the truth always hurts and i am not that kind of people who decorate words so i gain your admiring ... no matter who you are, it's not in my personality to climb on someone to gain someone else satisfaction.
To @Lythrilux - You was more than a trouble maker, but i thought you will change so after i left the server for a while and came back, i found that you slightly changed to the better then so fast started to become as before. I don't know your age actually but i was reading most of your debates and conversations on forums without commenting. Why? because i promised @"King Boo" when i returned back that i will stay away from any debate or argument on the forums specially when it includes those famous trouble makers, known to the entire server. I hope that you come back after 6 months better and with a new mindset full of fun and respect to others. Trust me it's not hard and it require some maturity, that's it.
To @Impyness - I never seen someone so talented at bending the rules and working on the leaks to abuse players. I never thought that you can be a mature player or have a good game spirit so i was always evading you although i couldn't evade your never ending meta-gaming. I even asked @Antonio on the discovery teamspeak server to make my channel players invisible because you was using your untagged JM ID'd ships with names like "Green.Peace" just to ruin traders time not for having fun and practicing piracy. So you was watching people on teamspeak and login when they login to harass them. It's wasn't only Junker Congress or me, but also Samura players and many others. I learned from this server that when i meet a pirate and ask me to drop all my cargo or ask for any demand that will not be fulfilled, then it's 100% you or people that act like you and they are few here. Some of them are banned with you and some are still loose but the hammer will catch all eventually. Actually @Impyness i never wished that someone will get banned and never come back before, but you are the first. I hope i don't see you again unless you become mature, which i doubt, not even after 100 years.
To @Mephistoles - Actually Meph, you are the reason why there is not a single POB in the GMG controlled space but yours, which you just lost too, and that is because of your worst attitude and garbage RP. Actually, there was no RP at all, and you was one of the people whom i never found useful at all .. I am sorry to tell that, but i wont lie, and will tell the truth about how i really see you. In fact, you don't fit at all for being here, and i agree with banning you permanently.
To @Karst - I didn't see from you much to judge you but i am sure that the admins will not just ban you because of nothing so the only thing i have for you is that i wish you good luck with whatever you decide to do and i hope that you change and come back fresh one day to have fun and be useful for this great growing community.
To @Swifty - I never seen you as a good useful player to this community, and i will say nothing more about you.
To @"Snoopy" - When you was a moderator, you helped me with some things although i know that you hangout with the same trouble makers group who use racism and even more bad things here but i hold respect for you until you destroyed it completely ... I was reading your posts and how you totally changed !! .. you become something else other than the @"Snoopy" i respected before. I wish for you to change and come back fresh later for better fun and good time.
To Administrator Team
I know how it's so hard for you to take such a decision but you are LATE ! .. don't be upset about my words, i will only say what's in my heart towards you. I won't decorate my words to make you feel comfortable because i hate to be that person. I will just tell you what i feel.
You are awesome and you do great work here, you was just late but i see that late is better than nothing so don't be upset about your decision and raise your heads high because you are doing a noble act here. You moderation and administration here without any fee. without anything in return so for me, you are great people, but you still are humans. You will be sad and happy, lazy and active just like all of us in different times but what i am sure of, is that you are honest or at least the current team in charge are. Don't be troubled and don't hesitate next time to kick the trouble makers. I know it takes a long time and lots of votes and watching and collecting of proofs ,,,, I agree with you and all i am asking is that you continue and removed the rest of these trouble makers from the server then watch the discovery community growing bigger and bigger because today, discovery is somehow reborn.
Thanks for reading my thoughts and i know that those banned player's friends will attack my words, but i don't care - I will only care for constructive threads and will never break my promise to @"King Boo" - Thank you again for giving me another chance admin team, and i wish that you keep on working at this server and make it better and better - Stay as you are, accepting feedback without being defensive. You guys are cool and i hold very high respect towards you.. Good luck and love you all.