(01-24-2017, 09:27 PM)CaseyMarie Wrote: But a pirate can ask you to drop 100% of your cargo then shoot it and laugh at you
Actually he can not do this and you can report it. If he demands cargo, he should be able to carry it away and sell it. Well, there are few exceptions like Xenos shooting cargo of foreign companies or LWB shooting Synth Food because it is part of their RP, but generally if some unlawful asks you drop all/majority of your cargo and then immediatelly destroy it, feel free to let admins know because this can be considered as griefing.
So no economical warfare you say? That's an interesting way to look at it, as this type of strategy is usually to stop any and all supplies from reaching their destination.
@Laura C. Please do not spread misinformation. Asking a trader to drop all of their cargo is not against the server rules, albeit considered as very harsh and especially when it comes to ore - frowned upon. If the player did that and asked money on top of that - we would treat it as an unreasonable demand.
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(01-25-2017, 10:39 AM)sindroms Wrote: @Laura C. Please do not spread misinformation. Asking a trader to drop all of their cargo is not against the server rules, albeit considered as very harsh and especially when it comes to ore - frowned upon. If the player did that and asked money on top of that - we would treat it as an unreasonable demand.
My bad then. I thought that asking all cargo (especially ores) -and- then just destroying it on spot is considered as trolling/griefing, especially when done on pirate ID because it is against its roleplay motivation and only point of doing it is to piss off the trader because you obviously don´t do that for money. Will note to myself that this is okay. Post edited.
(01-24-2017, 09:27 PM)CaseyMarie Wrote: Personally when I'm trading I try really hard to avoid pirates. And the main reason I do so is because I have no idea what the encounter is going to be. If there was a rule about the maximum a pirate could demand then I'd be able to weigh up if it's profitable or not. If a pirate is hanging around a system and I go through an additional 3 to avoid them by going around their system I may have lost or gained money.
If the pirate only charged 1 million it's a loss. The extra time is money after all.
But a pirate can ask you to drop 100% of your cargo then shoot it and laugh at you, I have no rp gripes with this but it's the element of the unknown that breeds paranoia. I don't fly a 5k so perhaps you wouldn't demand 20+ million but as a new player that's a huge chunk of my account worth. I simply can't afford to meet you with demands like that. I'd probably have to avoid you 90_95% of the time as I don't yet know the mathematical trade routes and my income is probably slower than that of an experienced trader.
Edit: what on earth are you hauling to make 75 million profit a trip? I'm flying a 3600 cargo ship and the biggest profit I have seen is about 11 million but it involves contraband...Now I'm certain I'm doing something wrong :/
So basically, you want to know the results of any decision you make beforehand. Well, that's as tough in real life as it is in game. The unknown is part of the appeal of the game. Without it, it's just a game of numbers and grinding. I am not saying you are wrong for avoiding pirates, I do it too, that is the job of the trader, but the job of the unlawful is to get to the trader. That's the fun of it. The cat and mouse. You want to take the safe route, that's a good way to go, but be upset that you don't know the outcome of all options before you make a choice. What's the fun in that?
(01-25-2017, 07:52 AM)Dot.Pixis Wrote: i just pay the pirate and move on, no sense wasting time. however the only pirates i fear are AFA. they almost always ask to drop cargo. which i think is unreasonable
what's reasonable and what's not is very dependent on the situation, who the "lawful" is, who the "unlawful" is, where the situation is taking place, what the other situations in Sirius are that might impact the situation (war, trading event, faction event) among many other things. What's reasonable in one situation might be completely unreasonable in another. It all depends on the specific situation.
I agree with what Zelot wrote in his initial post, however the other form of issue is the traders who are silent and try to run away - this is what gets them killed. Yet, they are angered at the unlawfuls not realizing it is actually their fault. Wholly other story are the traders who open fire right after the demand or even at the point they see the red IFF. Personally, I became really tired of explaining in PM what they did wrong.
Dear (newbie) traders, please do realize we are also for roleplay in here. We are not to ruin your day - it's usually you who do that by the actions which makes us to shoot at you...
In the end, it is hard to -not- take a guy robbing you as OORP in one way or another. Especially when there is very little counterplay apart from using the player list.
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Most folks probably get fed up of the same uninteresting encounters, I can tell you hearing "x or die" gets pretty old after hearing it a thousand times. Seriously, its not even RP, its just meeting the demand quota so they don't get sanctioned. Same thing with the "I've got no money" Zealot is talking about. Its just apathy.
But what can you do about people who simply don't care?
(02-02-2017, 08:59 PM)Croft Wrote: Most folks probably get fed up of the same uninteresting encounters, I can tell you hearing "x or die" gets pretty old after hearing it a thousand times. Seriously, its not even RP, its just meeting the demand quota so they don't get sanctioned. Same thing with the "I've got no money" Zealot is talking about. Its just apathy.
But what can you do about people who simply don't care?
it gets pretty old seeing traders that would rather die and get their cargo back to try again than to fight/run/pay.
It gets pretty old seeing traders so minimal rp back to the pirate who would be trying hard to rp just so that they can move on.
It gets pretty old hearing 'sorry no English ' or 'i dont have money' while they clearly do (level 90)