(07-02-2017, 10:04 PM)Giorgis alt Wrote: So it's fine when a Kirk/Libdread have an advantage over basically any heavy BS, but when's the other way around with BCs vs Kirks, it's not? The entitlement is ridiculous.
What entitlement?
Are you mad? ive preached for heavy BS's to be balanced for a while now man, this entitlement claim is... i dont even know you just made a completely incorrect assumption
the only balanced heavy BS's as of now are the redemption, Valor, Tokugawa and legate from the top of my head
and they aren't perfectly balanced either
(07-02-2017, 10:07 PM)Chills Wrote: I know you weren't there at that time, so I tell you. Your side got the support of 1 more cr cruiser and 1 labc. We lost a bc after some time and had to retreat.
The capline and playerbase your side has at disposal is much bigger as the fight showed, after an half hour we were outnumbered snub and capwise. But that's nothing to do with it.
It's senseless to complain about this because you brought the wrong ships and were skillwise at least on par with the our side. And it would happen like that anywhere. If you encounter 3 legion battleships with 3 labcs, 3 legates/murmillos with 3 tirpitzs, 3 marduks with 3 core bcs and so on. Cruiser > BC > Battleship.
about the one that died
i was a large cause of that ones death by draining it dry if i remember
i did rather heavy damage to the Lyon due to i was able to EK on it, the out come without my damage there might of changed
also we cant call allies cruiser types on instant chills... if we won in the end, its because allies got there after the BAF was nullified
also that last bit Cruiser > BC > Battleship.
that just says battleships are unbalanced and at a disadvantage in every aspect
(07-02-2017, 09:58 PM)ASimpleMan Wrote: Yes. Skype is Skype.
But what I find troubling is the fact that you say we always have the LABC to support us, and the Crayter stuff. That just is not entirely accurate. Sometimes we get help, but I would argue that most of the time when there is no event going on or any scheduled raids, we don't get that smaller ship aide.
The GRN doesn't have every shiptype avaible everytime either. But the chance to see all caps of the entire capline is higher because all Players who would play for GRN have only these ships. The Gallic enemy players are spread on many factions with many different ships. But if it bothers you tha much that you don't have always an labc, takeda, thantos and others avaible, then just make chars with these ships.
(07-02-2017, 09:58 PM)ASimpleMan Wrote: Yes. Skype is Skype.
And most of us don't own Crecies. Now I will say, I don't know much of Crecies and destroyer combat, so idk maybe this point isn't as of value. But GRN ALWAYS log some form of snub, at least when I play caps vs them. Those snubs, as Kane said, demolish our Crecies. I've seen that, and it isn't pretty. They simply cannot fight the BC's and the snubs all at once. Anyways, I just wanted to put that out. Dismantle if you wish XD
1 Crecy can't do anything to a snubswarm, it's everywhere like that, trust me. Especially if you use full solaris setups. Because the best way to kill snubs is to use insta loadouts. Solaris do low damage and can't deal sufficient damage to snubs when it has to defend itself, the snub will just get out of range again easily while others have free way to shoot at you. It's good as support ship when you have some snubs on your own side to either help them draining the enemy snubs or to be hugged by your own. But more than one would be good for this. I can't tell about other loadouts. It probably is able to kill BC's with other loadouts, but if you can't duel one you should have some other backup like a battleship.
(07-02-2017, 10:10 PM)hubjump Wrote: also that last bit Cruiser > BC > Battleship.
that just says battleships are unbalanced and at a disadvantage in every aspect
Took you long enough to understand. Although some battleships are able to at least duel Battlecruiser, as I've constantly killed RNS-Duelist with my valor or togo only using the prims (not grn prims, basic heavy ones). I haven't seen a skilled bs killing a skilled cruiser (in a duel) using mortar + pulse in a long time though. Sometimes in a battle you are able to catch a cruiser offguard.
(07-02-2017, 10:04 PM)Giorgis alt Wrote: So it's fine when a Kirk/Libdread have an advantage over basically any heavy BS, but when's the other way around with BCs vs Kirks, it's not? The entitlement is ridiculous.
Are you mad?
I don't even participate in GRN-BAF fights currently, so there's no reason for me to be "mad". Perhaps you should try to come up with an actual point instead of throwing personal insults at everyone and being unreasonably salty.
(07-02-2017, 09:25 PM)hubjump Wrote: Antionio...
Our crecies
once seen
get utterly violated by enemy snub craft
They just cant live long enough
and the damage output is pathetic
Yes for its size it was broken
but it was the only thing saving us from this catastrophic destruction we now face.
surely you have seen how gunboats get swarmed by like 10 snubs and it dies in about a minute?
Yeah that happens to the crecy too... also we have had crecies in the past quite a few, this happened and people forget they even existed they die so quick
and if its equipt for snubs it cant fight the Bcruisers
it frustrates me that so many fleet fights arn't won through strategy skill and coordination but by a bunch of indie players who own BC's...
i only ever see snub fights of GRN with real command happening
So it's fine when a Kirk/Libdread have an advantage over basically any heavy BS, but when's the other way around with BCs vs Kirks, it's not? The entitlement is ridiculous.
Well there are some problems with this. As a valor player, I can say with sincerity that Kirks do not have an advantage over the valor. I taught myself how to Valor, and I've messed around with Valors enough to know that in the hands of skilled players, they are more than a match for your skilled Dunkirk or Libdred player. Now Libdreds are thin and hard to hit, but your average Joe in one of those ships certainly doesn't have the edge on the average Valor or me when I'm in one. You just have to know what your doing in one. People often think Valors suck because they give up on trying to learn them.
But as someone who used to think that before I learned, I don't think the aforementioned statement is correct. Anyways, this thread is about cruisers. So I guess this is a little out of place. XD
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Also Haste upscaled the GRN BC by 20% half a year ago in case you didn't know.
As for snub swarms, what stops Bretonia from doing the same? Any cap will die to a snub swarm so it doesn't affect the initial argument. A GRN BC would die to 5 templars and 3 challengers pretty fast.