(10-30-2023, 11:54 PM)DSE- Wrote: Given the absolute nerfing of Barge usability what use are they?
In the new age... how are barges to be effectively used?
Can they traverse the deep outer areas of space?
Can they even go through every system without physical restriction?
In other words are they now a waste of time?
I am reposting this. Who owns a barge and feels that they now have a raw deal with 5.0?
For me they are a beached whale, needing to be refloated to do its work.
I want to know what the dev's intentions are for the barge. Are they still a work in progress or is this shitty situation going to be it?
The barge has two thrusters saying they can shoot along at about 250. Not happening.
Trying to go from Manchester to California, not possible. Why are barge owners so penalised by 5.0?
Have you considered using 5kers for trading? I hear they are pretty easy to fly, makes good profit/time ratio and is overall cheaper and easier to come by.
Ships and equipment gets rebalanced every once in a while. Can't make all happy. But there is no certainty that special snoflwake ship that is absolute monster will be made as convenient way for power trading.
Seriously, go back to using normal ships for normal activities.
The point with the barge, as a owner of two barges, is so you can brag to others you have two massive useless ships. Nothing else. But i got two, and most of you losers only got one or less.
Quote:Have you considered using 5kers for trading? I hear they are pretty easy to fly, makes good profit/time ratio and is overall cheaper and easier to come by.
Ships and equipment gets rebalanced every once in a while. Can't make all happy. But there is no certainty that special snoflwake ship that is absolute monster will be made as convenient way for power trading.
Seriously, go back to using normal ships for normal activities.
It would be nice to see some empathy/sympathy displayed to those that feel, somewhat, aggrieved with the big changes that came with the new Update and subsequent changes in the Rules.
We have had 'certain' commodities disappear.
House Government changes/requirements.
Changes to Cap Ships and how they operate.
And many more that people aren't happy with.
In the past we have had the big change to SNACs
etc
etc
etc
Just because you personally are not affected by certain changes, doesn't mean that those that are, are wrong to feel aggrieved.
As for the Barge, not everyone used it to 'powertrade'. There are those that actually do enjoy flying it, but it has become a huge problem with JGs/JHs mainly surrounded by asteroid/scrap/ice fields and in some systems the rock density has been greatly increased, making it a nightmare to fly.
If one doesn't want people to complain about changes that they aren't happy with, then maybe one shouldn't complain about things that affect them either.
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The only real way to realistically let the ship keep its laning ability - which is easy enough to re-enable - would be to drastically cut into the ship's cargo capacity. I'd expect to have to bring it down to 10,000 or so. It'd end up not too different from how it is right now in terms of viability. Fundamentally I believe removing laning makes more sense if we believe in the ship's infocard, which hints at the ship operating in very remote regions. It still excels there, for the record. A simple division of cargo space by cruise speed shows you that objectively the barge can move more cargo per hour off the lanes than a 5k could. Sure, the long charge time reduces the margin a bit, but the Barge objectively is not a bad ship.
Of course we're aware that lanes were one of the ways to comfortably pass through asteroid fields and that is now less doable, but still ultimately not that bad. The Barge fortunately moves so very slowly that it also has quite a bit of time to move out of the way of (small) rocks.
I can see us doing something with the ship in the longer term to make it more appealing, like the often-suggested refinery features. It's not a terrible idea. It does have a lot of issues that'd have to be ironed out, like the fact that PoBs can be destroyed and are "always online" whereas a barge can just be F1'd in space instead and is not lost on death.
i heard that all 5k transport ships are going to be banned from house space because they cause too much jamms in traffic, and all transports will lose their turrets because they are transports and not fighting ships so don't need guns, all in that of balance . also fighters will only have 2 guns and bombers can only carry up to 2 torpedos. gunboats only can have only can have one gun and can only fire forward and to the sides, destroyers/cruisers also one gun and fire like the gunboats, battlecruisers will blow like the original ones with a few placed shots, and battleships numbers will be reduced to just one handfull per house. all in name of balance of course, because it is in the name of balance that devs can do what they want.
of course all this isn't real but i would like to see if something like this happens, what player base would react .. probably in a worst way that barge owners are reacting for a hyper expensive ship, that a lot of people were promised that would stay that way forever, turned into a complete useless flying piece of crap.
also ... is nice to see some reactions, of some people that rant because a commodity was remove and a trade route that was special for just one faction ended. oh well ... there are things that never changed, and so many people wounder why so many left, or simple rarely play or even if they paly they don't care of RP and stuff like that
Fly the Barge more now than ever, I would never fly it like everyone else because of TL disruptions, however i do think barges banned from TL was a bit too far......but i have fun where i can and have found out complaining never helps
(11-10-2023, 07:43 PM)SnakThree Wrote: Have you considered using 5kers for trading? I hear they are pretty easy to fly, makes good profit/time ratio and is overall cheaper and easier to come by.
Ships and equipment gets rebalanced every once in a while. Can't make all happy. But there is no certainty that special snoflwake ship that is absolute monster will be made as convenient way for power trading.
Seriously, go back to using normal ships for normal activities.
Really? Cut the insulting sarcasm... although that displays the arrogance of your character.
For myself the barge now is pure useless.. i got x4 of them but after the patch it got complete killed.
You cant mine a barge alone because it despawns now, the bann from tradelanes are a HUGE nerf.
If i see how much time i invested to buy these ships and how it end up now its another reason to think about all this here.
(another downgrade of cargospace isnt in my eyes a way to go because then the ship skin compared to a 5ker would be way to big)