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The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - Denelo - 03-14-2007
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This is Mercenary Captain Relden,
to Mercenary Commander Demo, South Allience High Command, and Hellfire Legion High Command.
The South Allience's Osorojo requested that we have public discussions on possible jobs.
Here's where it stands (each offer is per hour): the South Allience is offering 2 million per Fighter, 4 million per Gunboat, 6 million per Cruiser, and 8 million per Battleship for an unknown job. The Hellfire Legion has not given an offer yet.
So, without further ado, please commence discussions.
*END TRANSMISSION*
The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - OsoRojo - 03-14-2007
ooc: Will post shortly. Waiting for final word from bossman.
OsoRojo
The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - OsoRojo - 03-14-2007
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To: Mercenary, HF, and all Sirius Sector
Comm. ID: Governor RedBear of Texas
Greetings,
Liberty Civil Authority has given full binding powers to me in this dispute due to my unique position in events that have transpired. At my urging, during informal talks, I requested an open forum due to a breach of Good Faith even though it was unintentional and apologies have been made. However, such a breach of trust needs close examination and brought forward for proper disposition for all concern. The Mercenary House has taken the first of many honorable steps by calling this public forum into existence. I am honored with their acceptance of my request.
Overall, it is the South Alliance position that the Mercenary faction, and indirectly Hell Fire Legion (HF), owes us compensation and it has been agreed to by the very words of Mercenary officials. I shall bring forth evidence of such admission from their very mouths and communications brought into the public eye not by me or the South Alliance but by the HF and Mercenary faction themselves, with plans to act on private communications sent in confidence.
Point 1: Mercenary Denelo stated he would provide compensation if HF used private information for gain,
Denelo Today, 11:39 AM Post #35
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OOC: yes, another OOC post... I'm getting as bad about that....
.. I also do not believe compensation is owed you, unless the Hellfire Legion acts on this information, in which case I will be quite glad to compensate you..
Act taken by HF and lauded by mercenary official;
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QUOTE(BestFlyerHere @ Mar 14 2007, 10:02 AM)
ooc: Pssst! Denelo, we won't kick you out, you're free to do what you want... It's just that the SA have tons of backup as it is. However, we may be able to negotiate a price for help against the SA. The Hellfire Legion has a lot of $$ in her banks.
ooc: YAY! I'll have to ask Demo about this.. and mabye Tank too.... -looks hopeful-
been wanting to hear that yellow text for a while...
Denelo
As is plainly seen BestFlyerHere the XO of HF is using we representing the HF and Denelo is delighted with the news. So, put forth private information was going to be used.
Point 2: Mercenary are in breach of their own charter by taking on 2 contracts bids by allowing 2nd party knowledge of private information:
Demo Jan 25 2007, 01:56 PM Post #23
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Faction name : The Mercenary's
Faction tag : [Mercenary], [TM]B for bombers, [TM]MFS for Capital Ships
Description : We're a mercenary faction founded by former SF member Demo, and we sell our services to the highest bidder, which can be useful in faction/clan wars. We're neutral to every faction besides the SF (friendly) and SSO (hostile, bounty hunters, opposite of mercenaries). We will offer our services for anyone willing to pay our prices, and we cannot be hired by 2 faction/clans at one time.
From this evidence flows the South Alliances claim to compensation agreed to by the Mercenarys officials. In the Void all we truly have is our honor and the Mercenarys have breached our trust and good faith. Not only that, they have, possible, affected the War we did not want nor start with HF or AW. However, even the HF acknowledge we are winning and as such we are willing to negotiate. Examples of victory comes from the HF own mouths;
BestFlyerHere Today, 07:29 AM Post #389 (SA comm center)
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..It seems like they (FEAR) just want to join the winning side, which is right now, you (SA).
Point 3: We propose the HF in Good Faith stop the War and step back from the brink, and place the SA in Hostile for we can never be one again, but innocent lives can be saved.
In conclusion, the South Alliance requests, and expects, the Mercenary Faction to provide compensation of no more than 400 million for allowing such a situation to spiral out of control. Their own words and honor bind them to this event. We did not breach the trust and entered into negotiations under good faith expectations and honorable intentions, but received instead a conspiracy with our enemies.
My respects,
Governor RedBear of Texas
The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - Denelo - 03-14-2007
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This is Mercenary Captain Relden,
to Govenor Redbear
I notice that you have done considerable research into this. However, one your points is invalid.
Point 2, that we are breaching our own charter, is invalid. We can only be HIRED by two factions at a time, but nothing ever said we cannot have two different factions competing for our services at the same time.
Also, we hardly conspired with your enemies, as they hacked our encoded transmissions, and thus we didn't at all "allow" them access to the private information. And I do not agree with the amount in compensation, as could not lost nearly that much from our mistake, upon which no action has been taken.
Awaiting your response.
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OOC: a bunch that stuff wasn't in character, you should have added it in an OOC at the end...
and by the way, this:
Osorojo Wrote:Act taken by HF and lauded by mercenary official;
Denelo Today, 08:11 AM Post #33
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QUOTE(BestFlyerHere @ Mar 14 2007, 10:02 AM)
ooc: Pssst! Denelo, we won't kick you out, you're free to do what you want... It's just that the SA have tons of backup as it is. However, we may be able to negotiate a price for help against the SA. The Hellfire Legion has a lot of $$ in her banks.
ooc: YAY! I'll have to ask Demo about this.. and mabye Tank too.... -looks hopeful-
been wanting to hear that yellow text for a while...
Denelo
As is plainly seen BestFlyerHere the XO of HF is using we representing the HF and Denelo is delighted with the news. So, put forth private information was going to be used.
was nothing like using private information... that was me getting both permission to assist you without being kicked out of HF and a POSSIBLE job offer. I was delighted to hear that because a) I don't like fighting against my friends and b) I remember that Supernova was kicked out of HF when he attacked them with his SSO character, and yes, I know he had already broken a bunch of rules, but I just wanted to make sure.
Thus, no action could have been taken within Roleplaying based on that private information if you had not requested that it be made public. If an action outside of roleplaying HAD been taken, you would have plenty of comensation, HOWEVER, NO ACTION OUTSIDE OF ROLEPLAY WAS TAKEN, and now it would not be outside of roleplay, as YOU have specifically requested that it be made public.
Relden out.
The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - Dab - 03-14-2007
@Denelo, The reason they got mad at him attacking them in his sso|, is because he did it after they had asked him to get on and help. But instead of getting on his HF char and helping, he got on his sso| char and attacked him. They don't mind you fighting them, but when you get on to attack them after being asked for help, its not going to go good with you. Probably won't get you kicked out (unless its done repeatedly..) unless you've broken rules along with it.
The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - pchwang - 03-14-2007
---Incoming Transmission---
To: Mercenary Command
From: Liberty Department of Defense
RE: Compensation Fee
We still regard this as an infraction. Your feeble excuses that the HF "Hacked" your Comm Channels is inadequate. Since you do not agree on the amount for compensation, I will propose a new offer.
50 Million Compensation, and a pledge to never engage ANY South Alliance vessel in the future.
Take it or leave it.
Regards,
DoD
The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - Denelo - 03-14-2007
' Wrote:@Denelo, The reason they got mad at him attacking them in his sso|, is because he did it after they had asked him to get on and help. But instead of getting on his HF char and helping, he got on his sso| char and attacked him. They don't mind you fighting them, but when you get on to attack them after being asked for help, its not going to go good with you. Probably won't get you kicked out (unless its done repeatedly..) unless you've broken rules along with it.
ooc: Dab, thanks, but remember, this is an RP post... use OOC please for OOC...
preparing my response to the South Allience...
The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - OsoRojo - 03-14-2007
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To: Mercenary Command, HF and Sirius Sector
Comm ID: Governor RedBear of Texas
Greetings,
Thank you for your response to our points of interest. As an understanding being i can see your point on position 2. However all other points are still relevant you have not refuted them in any comprehensive manner. In fact you have strengthen my position on points 1 and 3.
In point 1 you stated you would provide compensation if HF used information. I maintain they planned to and only my intervention ellicted a reaction from you for up to that time of my communication you were interested in the bargain proposed by the HF XO.
Here is progression of your comms:
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ooc: Pssst! Denelo, we won't kick you out, you're free to do what you want... It's just that the SA have tons of backup as it is. However, we may be able to negotiate a price for help against the SA. The Hellfire Legion has a lot of $$ in her banks.
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I am the Executive Commander in the mighty Hellfire Legion
My posts are in RP unless i say ooc in front of them. If you think I insult you, think of what a pirate would say. Not very kind things, i grant you.
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Denelo Today, 08:11 AM Post #33
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QUOTE(BestFlyerHere @ Mar 14 2007, 10:02 AM)
ooc: Pssst! Denelo, we won't kick you out, you're free to do what you want... It's just that the SA have tons of backup as it is. However, we may be able to negotiate a price for help against the SA. The Hellfire Legion has a lot of $$ in her banks.
ooc: YAY! I'll have to ask Demo about this.. and mabye Tank too.... -looks hopeful-
been wanting to hear that yellow text for a while...
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I am a Pilot for the mighty Hellfire Legion.
[HF]-Denelo, Denelo's Slipstream.
[HF]HFGB-Denelo, Denelo's Liberty Gunboat
Farwren, An independant Trader who supports the Hellfire Legion
I am the Captain of [color=#3333FF]The Mercenarys.
[Mercenary]-Relden.Mori, Captain of the Mercenarys
[TM]MFS-Sunspear, Mercenary Flagship
[TM]MFS-Hypernova, Captain Relden's Cruiser
soon to come:
Mercenary Bomber
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In my intial PM i assumed it would be considered a private matter, however, since cat out of the bag, lets haggel. First I believe I have first chance since we are the injured party in this discussion due to premature release of info. Plus some compensation for revealing private communication is due us. So, I wish to suggest a lump sum for the Mercenary help, but will consider day pay. Especially due to a lack of references and reputation. Also, wish to place on retainer and used at SA's discretion without leaking our desire. So, i believe 2 million a day for fighter, 4 GB, 6 CR, and 8 for BS is appropriate. I await response.
My respects
OsoRojo
Your next response once I noticed
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OOC: yes, another OOC post... I'm getting as bad about that....
THIS IS HIGHLY IMPORTENT! IF YOU ARE OSOROJO, BESTFLYERHERE, DEMO, OR ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED IN THE CURRENT JOB DISCUSSIONS, READ THIS ENTIRE POST THOROUGHLY!
QUOTE(Bestflyerhere)
ooc: Pssst! Denelo, we won't kick you out, you're free to do what you want... It's just that the SA have tons of backup as it is. However, we may be able to negotiate a price for help against the SA. The Hellfire Legion has a lot of $$ in her banks.
ok, first of all, BFH, you and every HF member who knows about that WILL NOT KNOW ABOUT IN CHAR!
I mean it... You can contact us to hire us, BUT YOUR CHAR WOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE AGREEMENT WITH THE SOUTH ALLIENCE!
Yes, that's bold, capped, and extra big. THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PRIVATE, ENCODED, TRANSMISSIONS.
Osorojo, I'm sorry this information was released when it was supposed to be private, and in the future we will try to make sure all such matters are transmitted by PM only, but we did not expect people from affected parties to read our encoded (in RP) message dump. However, I do wish you would use OOC in front of non-RP posts, particularly in the RP forums. You may not have looked, but it says in capped letters at the beginning of this thread, RP POSTS ONLY. That means all Non-RP MUST be placed in OOC. I also do not believe compensation is owed you, unless the Hellfire Legion acts on this information, in which case I will be quite glad to compensate you. But it is not, in my opinion, The Mercenarys fault if the Legion acts on information they should not know and my blame would rest on them if they act on it, since their characters would have no way of knowing. You would have access to this channel so you could haggle, however, the Legion would not.
Concerning pay, I would have to discuss this with Commander Demo, which will take a while, as we are a quarter of the planet away from each other, and not always on at the same time or anything. However, I do think everyone here noticed the size 3 text above, and can agree with it, though I will repeat it below in giant, size 7 text. Thus, it would not be "public knowlage", and if the Hellfire Legion acts on it, it would be entirely non-Roleplay, as I'm sure we can agree, and I, for one, dislike a lack of Roleplay.
Hopefully I will be able to arrange a time for negotiations on the server between us and your clan.
and just to make sure EVERYONE has this clear....
THOSE CHARS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE MERCENARYS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ANY DISCUSSION THAT TAKES PLACE IN THIS MESSAGE DUMP! IS THAT CLEAR?
Also, know that we are quite capable of assisting one, then the other, if that is the way you want it to be. I certainly wouldn't object to twice the jobs. More money to into our funds.
Please post any further complaints or comments in an OOC post. If the Legion wishes to hire us, please attempt to do so by PM or a thread in the RP forums, and know that the second would be avalible for all chars to know.
Thank you for taking the time to read this long, boring, importent post.
Relden out."
You showed no interest in curtailing their intrusion onto your channels, but my arrival brought the Void down upon all.
So by your honor and words we expect compensation, no more than 400 million, however, we are not heartless on this point.
Next on Point 3. You have not disputed the HF position we are winning nor have the HF. So our demand for their dipolmacy still stands. Why continue the carnage if they and you tacitly acknowledge our victory. This is a sign of barbarians not honorable beings.
My compliments
Governor RedBear of Texas
The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - BestFlyerHere - 03-15-2007
Incoming Transmission
Patching Through
Comm ID: Executive Commander Kaine
Transmit To: SA and Mercenary
ooc: Wow, OsoRojo, I'm impressed. that was amazing... back in char now:
On account of Point 1: I have nothing to say, the Mercenary's business is their own. It seems like they have gone against their own words on this occassion.
Point 2: I'm not sure where to stand on this one. Denelo insists that I can't see what's in his message dump, but it's open to the public. I know my character wouldnt be able to see this, but it's a lot safer to talk in PM. Or, you could use like a code. I know that SCRA used Root-13 at one time. A cheap RP excuse for me reading your message dump is I can "hack" your message dump, but im not gonna use that excuse.
Point 3: I regret to inform you that I (maybe Tank) could not make the decision to put you on hostile, and to stop this war, but I cannot do that on my own account. If you were to offer Drake Thastus, and all of his members of the Hellfire Legion pardons from the crimes they have been unrightfully excused, and put us on neutral, we would gladly consider doing the same.
I read that SA wants us to pay them some sort of compensation? Would you elaborate please?
ooc: I'm just resolving issues right now, I'll post our bid for Merc's services later.
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The Mercenarys, to the South Allience and the Hellfire Legion - OsoRojo - 03-15-2007
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To: Mercenary Command, HF, and Sirius Sector
Comm ID: Gov. Redbear of Texas
Greetings
1st point the offer by DOD is in error he is not conducting this negotiation for I have binding power, but I agree with him that 400 million is excessive and shall reduce to 350 million. For we have sufferd due to this event. On Point 3 in reference to HF neutrality and pardon are unaceptable. You have acknowledged our victory, and as such, Hostile is the most that can be achieved. In reference to your leader he is a criminal and pirate and no pardon will ever be allowed. However, as a sign of good faith we will give word to refrain from entering Vespucci to attain Hostile diplomacy and end this savage War you and the AW started months ago.
My compliments
Gov. RedBear