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RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Narcotic - 06-13-2013
Abandon thread. Penetrating flood.
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RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Thyrzul - 06-13-2013
What I find an issue is not your attempts to troll or not, or your relation to the rest of the community, but the general attitude with which you opened up this topic and poll. You offer good behavior in exchange for unban when it should be the other way around, you get unban in exchange for good behavior. That doesn't seem to be an attitude of two banned players wishing to reintegrate themselves into the community too much. And yes, as been said before me, the circumvention of the bans are also a show of disrespect towards the rest of the community, the rule-abiding community. Why do you expect that the opinion of this community suddenly changes just because you say you changed?
Let's say I believe you, I'd say then that a possible consensus could be that you continue playing incognito, playing nice, in exchange admins won't ban you only for being Doj/Jetblack, but once you decide to play dirty, you get banned. After given time, let's say a month or two, if you are still on the server, you'd get amnesty. That would mean supervision without anybody else other than the Admins would know about your identity.
But then again, what would be the guarantee of you guys playing nice? You said bothering to post is already a guarantee, you do anything you want anyways, caring is an evidence of good will. That still bears the possibility of you posting only to troll and lie and make fun of the community and the Admins. It is hardly a guarantee for anything. What else could be a guarantee instead of this?
EDIT: Wow, started to post in General Discussions and got flushed down with the thread into Flood in the meanwhile.
Let's say I believe you, I'd say then that a possible consensus could be that you continue playing incognito, playing nice, in exchange admins won't ban you only for being Doj/Jetblack, but once you decide to play dirty, you get banned. After given time, let's say a month or two, if you are still on the server, you'd get amnesty. That would mean supervision without anybody else other than the Admins would know about your identity.
But then again, what would be the guarantee of you guys playing nice? You said bothering to post is already a guarantee, you do anything you want anyways, caring is an evidence of good will. That still bears the possibility of you posting only to troll and lie and make fun of the community and the Admins. It is hardly a guarantee for anything. What else could be a guarantee instead of this?
EDIT: Wow, started to post in General Discussions and got flushed down with the thread into Flood in the meanwhile.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Soul Reaper - 06-13-2013
nah, just continue doing what you do 8|
imo it's a stupid decision to try and limit yourselves, since, I mean, not really that easy to just stop being complete wastes of IP, and if you try and tone it down, well, let's just say I doubt you'll be able to hold yourself, I certainly wouldn't be able.
so ye, in order to help you guys...
Nop 8|
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Hell Hunter - 06-13-2013
lol this thread is just cute
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Ursus - 06-13-2013
I dont see any reason to make it easier for you
The fact that you keep coming up with these threads asking/pleading/bargaining means the punishment irritates you. Good. Go away.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Potter Harry - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 03:48 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:What I find an issue is not your attempts to troll or not, or your relation to the rest of the community, but the general attitude with which you opened up this topic and poll. You offer good behavior in exchange for unban when it should be the other way around, you get unban in exchange for good behavior. That doesn't seem to be an attitude of two banned players wishing to reintegrate themselves into the community too much. And yes, as been said before me, the circumvention of the bans are also a show of disrespect towards the rest of the community, the rule-abiding community. Why do you expect that the opinion of this community suddenly changes just because you say you changed?
I don't expect that to happen at all. Hence, I voted for "Sure, under supervision" myself. That way, we can prove our willingness to make an effort in restoring the currently volatile situation we find ourselves in while also directly involving the rest of the community in it, which brings me to the reason of our misplaced way of thought.
Quote:You offer good behavior in exchange for unban when it should be the other way around, you get unban in exchange for good behavior.
You're absolutely right on this, but it's hard to go back to the point of where we never had been banned, since time isn't reversible. The whole scene has been playing for a while longer, though, primarily behind the scenes. At the very least more than a month, we've been trying to discuss the matter with admins, even with the help of a few members who posed as mediator, so it's not like this thread came completely out of the blue.
(06-13-2013, 03:48 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:Let's say I believe you, I'd say then that a possible consensus could be that you continue playing incognito, playing nice, in exchange admins won't ban you only for being Doj/Jetblack, but once you decide to play dirty, you get banned. After given time, let's say a month or two, if you are still on the server, you'd get amnesty. That would mean supervision without anybody else other than the Admins would know about your identity.
There actually has been an attempt at this once (for one day), but one of the admins decided to punish me for no real reason, deleting that Juggernaut spazzy talked about along with a handful of other ships, hence that approach didn't seem like one that would work to neither me nor Jetblack.
However, if for some reason the staff would like this idea in official practice instead of an experiment, I'm all for it.
(06-13-2013, 03:48 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:But then again, what would be the guarantee of you guys playing nice? You said bothering to post is already a guarantee, you do anything you want anyways, caring is an evidence of good will. That still bears the possibility of you posting only to troll and lie and make fun of the community and the Admins. It is hardly a guarantee for anything. What else could be a guarantee instead of this?
There isn't much guarantee I can give you without creating skepticism. I can only point you towards this forum account as an example of my willingness to play nice. That account, too, got unbanned with the sole reason of it being me, both ingame and on the forum. After that one, I didn't bother making any other forum accounts, as they simply draw too much attention.
You might've ran into Foxxy.Miss at some point, for extra good measure.
That, and the fact I'm bothering to type all of this out for 10 pages long, is all I can offer you in terms of guarantees.
(06-13-2013, 04:23 PM)Ursus Wrote: The fact that you keep coming up with these threads asking/pleading/bargaining means the punishment irritates you. Good. Go away.
Please refresh my mind if what you say is accurate, but I don't think neither of us ever made a thread like this before.
(06-13-2013, 03:38 PM)Narcotic Wrote:Abandon thread. Penetrating flood.
I'd appreciate it if the thread could be moved back to where it was, in the general discussion section. I don't see a reason for why it would be moved to Flood in the first place.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Tachyon - 06-13-2013
Oh look it's in flood now.
I love it, when I am right.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Oorn - 06-13-2013
sindroms, can you please tell us how did you get your ban lifted? Can clear out some things and help with curent situation.
P.S. new awesome way to close thread: move it into flood.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - titanbot - 06-13-2013
I voted yes, you should get a second chance.
I don't know you, Jetblack, but I got to know Doj. And I found out he's quite reasonable, by actually talking to the man instead of acknowledging everything people said about him.
It's a two way here, and I'm sure that if you'd all ditch the prejudice - everything will be fine. Hell, you don't need to like everyone, it's enough to tolerate them.
titan's two cents.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Ursus - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 04:29 PM)Potter Harry Wrote:(06-13-2013, 04:23 PM)Ursus Wrote: The fact that you keep coming up with these threads asking/pleading/bargaining means the punishment irritates you. Good. Go away.
Please refresh my mind if what you say is accurate, but I don't think neither of us ever made a thread like this before.
Okay, here ya go
Threaten to be a dick? lol threaten to cry again next week more like it