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RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - LaWey - 07-15-2019
Just give East Europe to us. No echoing. Done.
You anyway all call every slavs as russians. Nothing will change.
On serious note, find real communism in Cacaolition first. It would've much easier for me make inRP propaganda, if Coalition had some straight ideology. If seriously, its rather authoritarian state with state-controlled economy and with some blurry populists losungs. For everything good against everything bad!
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Ash - 07-15-2019
(07-15-2019, 11:15 AM)Reeves Wrote: I do agree it's silly to use the real-world as the basis for a concern, it would be more appropriate to say that given the behavior of the Rheinland lawful leadership that this story-line development might turn out.. less than appropriate. There have already been quite a few instances of questionable behavior from that side.
I’m not concerned about how the real world gets transposed into discovery. More how elements of discovery would transpose themselves into the real world.
People get pretty engrossed into their RP here. Entertaining fascist, imperialist and oppressive ideas makes a dangerous cocktail. At a stretch you could call it grooming, albeit not intentional.
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Darkseid667 - 07-15-2019
(07-15-2019, 11:54 AM)Ash Wrote:(07-15-2019, 11:15 AM)Reeves Wrote: I do agree it's silly to use the real-world as the basis for a concern, it would be more appropriate to say that given the behavior of the Rheinland lawful leadership that this story-line development might turn out.. less than appropriate. There have already been quite a few instances of questionable behavior from that side.
I’m not concerned about how the real world gets transposed into discovery. More how elements of discovery would transpose themselves into the real world.
People get pretty engrossed into their RP here. Entertaining fascist, imperialist and oppressive ideas makes a dangerous cocktail. At a stretch you could call it grooming, albeit not intentional.
I think most people here can discern fantasy from reality.
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Nekrotalis - 07-15-2019
(07-15-2019, 12:08 PM)Darkseid667 Wrote:(07-15-2019, 11:54 AM)Ash Wrote:(07-15-2019, 11:15 AM)Reeves Wrote: I do agree it's silly to use the real-world as the basis for a concern, it would be more appropriate to say that given the behavior of the Rheinland lawful leadership that this story-line development might turn out.. less than appropriate. There have already been quite a few instances of questionable behavior from that side.
I’m not concerned about how the real world gets transposed into discovery. More how elements of discovery would transpose themselves into the real world.
People get pretty engrossed into their RP here. Entertaining fascist, imperialist and oppressive ideas makes a dangerous cocktail. At a stretch you could call it grooming, albeit not intentional.
I think most people here can discern fantasy from reality.
This sadly is not the case really, some of the people within RM shout out things which would get you sent to jail or at least dragged in front of a court in Germany and on top of that simply mark it as being "normal meme German".
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Karlotta - 07-15-2019
(07-15-2019, 12:08 PM)Darkseid667 Wrote: I think most people here can discern fantasy from reality.
One of the strategies of modern day rightwing extremists / racists / historical revisionists is to deliberately blur the lines between jokes / fantasy and reality, so they can claim innocence and blend in with a crowd of people who really only see it as jokes / fantasy, and then rile that crowd up against anyone who objects to their "jokes", which will be their political enemies.
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Loken - 07-15-2019
(07-15-2019, 11:54 AM)Ash Wrote: I’m not concerned about how the real world gets transposed into discovery. More how elements of discovery would transpose themselves into the real world.
People get pretty engrossed into their RP here. Entertaining fascist, imperialist and oppressive ideas makes a dangerous cocktail. At a stretch you could call it grooming, albeit not intentional.
What do you propose we do with Kusari, Bretonia and Gallia then? An empire and two imperialist monarchies.
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Darkseid667 - 07-15-2019
(07-15-2019, 12:20 PM)Karlotta Wrote:(07-15-2019, 12:08 PM)Darkseid667 Wrote: I think most people here can discern fantasy from reality.
One of the strategies of modern day rightwing extremists / racists / historical revisionists is to deliberately blur the lines between jokes / fantasy and reality, so they can claim innocence and blend in with a crowd of people who really only see it as jokes / fantasy, and then rile that crowd up against anyone who objects to their "jokes", which will be their political enemies.
Not to delve too deeply into politics here, but I rarely see this from the right, I actually see this tactic mainly from the left. "So you feel insulted by my article? Can't you see this was just satire?"
As a centrist myself I find either end of the political spectrum disturbing.
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Mr.Cardaminum - 07-15-2019
Same as with tolerance, to find something offensive is, first of all, to accept being offended. If some people RP rightists, it doesn't mean they will become or are faschists in the same fashion as violent games do not cause people to become violent (many academic articles on that have been published). If people play as Outcast slavers it does not mean they use drugs or approve slavery. Playing as Germany in Hearts of Iron doesn't make you nazi, and playing as crusaders in Crudarer Kings doesn't make you religious zealot. People enjoy playing bad guys in RPG exactly because it is so contrary to how they would behave in real life. That is the purpose of the game, to give a glimpse at alternative lives. If people have problems with completely fictional worlds, it is their problem alone, not of the world.
Besides, what is the problem of making imperial Rheinland more similar to Bismark-times Germany? There was no Kaiser during nazi times after all yet so many people keep drawing parallels between Imperial Rheinland and the Third Reich. Although, I voted no, lI see no issues with imperial Rheinland should it be expanded decently. Atm, the biggest problem is of lack of plausibility, not ideological stuff.
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Ash - 07-15-2019
(07-15-2019, 12:40 PM)Loken Wrote:(07-15-2019, 11:54 AM)Ash Wrote: I’m not concerned about how the real world gets transposed into discovery. More how elements of discovery would transpose themselves into the real world.
People get pretty engrossed into their RP here. Entertaining fascist, imperialist and oppressive ideas makes a dangerous cocktail. At a stretch you could call it grooming, albeit not intentional.
What do you propose we do with Kusari, Bretonia and Gallia then? An empire and two imperialist monarchies.
I don’t need to point out that when you tick the ‘german’ box and the ‘fascist’ box, that in the minds of most people you’ve homed in on nazism. As people tend to do with all things frelancer, they gravitate to those cultural stereotypes and draw from what they know when playing their roles. I’d rather not see the embodiment of what most people’s ideas are of an imperialist, expansionist german nation on this server.
RE: Poll: Imperial Rheinland - Loken - 07-15-2019
(07-15-2019, 01:43 PM)Ash Wrote: I don’t need to point out that when you tick the ‘german’ box and the ‘fascist’ box, that in the minds of most people you’ve homed in on nazism. As people tend to do with all things frelancer, they gravitate to those cultural stereotypes and draw from what they know when playing their roles. I’d rather not see the embodiment of what most people’s ideas are of an imperialist, expansionist german nation on this server.
I am of the opinion that you should give them the chance to make that mistake before calling them out for it.
Besides, when I hear "Imperial Rheinland" I think of the German Empire, not the Third Reich. I haven't seen anyone explicitly calling for a fascist Rheinland, yet.