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RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Darius - 04-03-2023
Actually, as the person that found out first about that change and announced it back when I was in LSF, the Attica story was mentioned in news on both sides of the law, and the nearby minefield. I feel this must be clarified.
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Kalhmera - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 05:49 AM)Reeves Wrote: I wanted to do was stop declaring every new story development in either the patch notes or the forums
So things can be hidden in game and claim its just incentivizing people to log? Every game has patch notes it helps clear the air on what was changed and what wasnt. Just like when Attica was evaporated without a single event or patch note to help players understand whats going on it just isnt good practice. It is my hope ALL changes are mentioned in the upcoming patch notes.
Putting the news in game exclusively was also a bad idea. The forums are just apart of Discovery Freelancer as the game is. I always looked forward to reading story changes on the forums because I dont have time to sift through each base to find out what the hell is going on. It sounds good on paper, just not good in practice.
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Reeves - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 06:05 AM)Saronsen Wrote: do you have anything to say about the xenos becoming your idealized version of them while also claiming players shouldnt have agency over the factions they play?
No, because the only version I idealize is from the original game. You're absolutely welcome to criticize the portrayal of the player faction, but that becomes less relevant to the subject of this thread and more of an issue which should be directed to a feedback thread or my personal inbox. I'll clear up any questions or misconceptions there. I'm being entirely serious in saying this. If you feel there's an issue that you want addressed, I'm happy to talk. But it's your call to make.
(04-03-2023, 07:07 AM)Kalhmera Wrote: Every game has patch notes it helps clear the air on what was changed and what wasnt.
You're absolutely right. But I will point out that games with a plot or some kind of story do not typically spoil the contents of said story before the player can experience it. Things like the narrative are usually hinted at, if at all, rather than fully disclosed.
The crux of this issue is solely predicated on Attica and I know the reasoning behind it. But as I've tried to state numerous times I'm happy to run events for significant developments, all I need is people on the team with the technical knowledge of how to run them. I had this with Skorak who came onboard soon after the development you take issue with, which is why the game saw a plethora of events put out. Along with some significant systems changes like what we did to Kepler. I then lost this capability upon his departure. We've only just recently reacquired some support in this regard. I understand people may be inclined to hold a grudge over the changes made to that base, but the takeaway from that is you'll still be holding a grudge and refusing to really talk to me. Which is at the very least - counterproductive.
The crux of this issue is solely predicated on Attica and I know the reasoning behind it. But as I've tried to state numerous times I'm happy to run events for significant developments, all I need is people on the team with the technical knowledge of how to run them. I had this with Skorak who came onboard soon after the development you take issue with, which is why the game saw a plethora of events put out. Along with some significant systems changes like what we did to Kepler. I then lost this capability upon his departure. We've only just recently reacquired some support in this regard. I understand people may be inclined to hold a grudge over the changes made to that base, but the takeaway from that is you'll still be holding a grudge and refusing to really talk to me. Which is at the very least - counterproductive.
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Kalhmera - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 08:34 AM)Reeves Wrote: that is you'll still be holding a grudge and refusing to really talk to me. Which is at the very least - counterproductive.
Why would anyone want to speak to you or any Developer over changes made to the mod anymore? Its been proven time and time again that what we say has no weight. The Devs will do what ever they want when they want. Just look at Markams response to Saronsen in discord. The action of one speaks for all. yeah we will continue to hold a grudge over attica for a long time. A secret prison with a Battleship guarding it (conveniently moved) just up and poofed by a rag tag group of criminals. Just doesn't make sense. And it doesn't help that every controversial change almost ALWAYS comes from a developers main faction they play. You with the Xenos, Darius/Markam/Durandel with Bretonia.
(04-03-2023, 08:34 AM)Reeves Wrote: I had this with Skorak who came onboard soon after the development you take issue with, which is why the game saw a plethora of events put out. Along with some significant systems changes like what we did to Kepler. I then lost this capability upon his departure.
There are plenty of new people wanting to get involved with the staff team and help make events, help moderate and keep the peace. I have been trying to join the staff team for literally 6+ years and I never get the chance. Its because there are clicks and the staff team just cant remain unbias and dont bring in people who have different views. The Team will bring an admin back who hasent been active for years and wonder why they did their duties for a week then vanished again. Its outrageous. There is no transparency and everyone on the team is just holding on to the last bit of pixel power they can. I swear it feels like being critical of the staff team is an automatic disqualification. Meph is a cool dude but disrespects the hell out of people but is a mod on the discord and has a yellow name here. Its clear as day that its not about what you know, or your dedication to the mod, its all about who you know.
Edit: apparently hes not a mod anymore, but was for sometime.
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Levenna - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 04:10 PM)Kalhmera Wrote: Just look at Markams response to Saronsen in discord.
Honestly, on this particular count, I had my own chat with Markam coming at it in less of a hostile tone, and I must say it ended up being a fairly reasonable and productive discussion. Reeves can also confirm that I've basically nitpicked every other decision he's made. It's not the criticism itself, it's how people tend to go about it, I think is the core issue. Don't get me wrong, I take issue with the lack of communication, it could be better by a long way, but I don't think the blame is solely on the devs' side either.
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - St.Denis - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 04:10 PM)Kalhmera Wrote: There are plenty of new people wanting to get involved with the staff team and help make events, help moderate and keep the peace. I have been trying to join the staff team for literally 6+ years and I never get the chance. Its because there are clicks and the staff team just cant remain unbias and dont bring in people who have different views. The Team will bring an admin back who hasent been active for years and wonder why they did their duties for a week then vanished again. Its outrageous. There is no transparency and everyone on the team is just holding on to the last bit of pixel power they can. I swear it feels like being critical of the staff team is an automatic disqualification. Meph is a cool dude but disrespects the hell out of people but is a mod on the discord and has a yellow name here. Its clear as day that its not about what you know, or your dedication to the mod, its all about who you know.
Edit: apparently hes not a mod anymore, but was for sometime.
No idea what 'pixel power' I have to hold on to.
I can honestly say I am not in any 'cliques'.
As for your statement about people not being allowed to join the 'Team', if they disagree with it, I wonder how many of these have been Admins/Mods/Devs?
https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=140700&highlight=%22heavy+decision%22
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Reeves - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 04:10 PM)Kalhmera Wrote: Why would anyone want to speak to you or any Developer over changes made to the mod anymore?
Communication is what enables transparency and cooperation. If there's going to be none of it, then it should come as no surprise when a writer like myself just writes content regardless of what people silently wish to see in the mod.
(04-03-2023, 04:10 PM)Kalhmera Wrote: yeah we will continue to hold a grudge over attica for a long time.
Then there is nothing further I can do or offer you. People who want to burn bridges shouldn't be surprised to find themselves marooned on an island once the smoke clears.
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Lemon - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 05:49 AM)Reeves Wrote:You don't get the mechanics of the game. CNS News have had around 1000 views each, they drove people into the game by providing forum canon and gave incentive to play it out in-game. The info cards are in such shambles you are pretty much writing the changes in-game for yourself and two other people, 99% of the server doesn't even know stuff is happening, or if it just isn't an ancient info card. You tried to incentivize people to care more about in-game stories and you have done the exact opposite. This experiment of yours has failed, story already knows the story, and it takes you 5 minutes to write CNS News. I could make another poll but the result would be obvious - just make CNS News again, come on man this is so obvious lol(04-03-2023, 03:00 AM)Czechmate Wrote: The story team is weak and lazy though, doubt this happens - apparently even taking minutes and writing CNS News is too much of an effort,
All the new news, pun intended, goes directly into the game. We stopped posting news on the forums a long time ago and that much was my decision. Since the start one thing I wanted to do was stop declaring every new story development in either the patch notes or the forums. This way, you're incentivized to look around in-game and piece things together that way, from a combination of news articles and infocards. It lets people who roleplay as information brokers actually broker information for people who aren't inclined, or simply can't just fly around and look for themselves.
And what the hell do you mean send me a draft - CNS News are CANON that should accompany changes to solars, systems and infocards. Tell me what solars you are changing ahead of time and what is the backstory and reasoning and I can draft CNS News - but that is what you can do in five minutes. Just because you write CNS News doesn't mean you have to spoil everything. Trust me I might be the only one who ever even noticed stuff like Fortaleza Base etc. you are doing completely pointless work people never even find out about when you don't write forum Canon.
Different isn't always better, I think this is the story of the current team. CNS News is a shining example - you make a decision on your own to cut something hugely popular and heavily used (I remember countless rp discussions revolving around CNS News, referring to them. We still refer to the old ones shucks...then find the finer details in-game in info cards). Just...why. It's the same bizarre logic of Markam Err and Systems who decide to delete the most popular systems in the game to make new ones later? In a game that runs on nostalgia? That had all new recent systems flop? What?
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Reeves - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 05:12 PM)Czechmate Wrote: And what the hell do you mean send me a draft
I offered for you to simply suggest any news articles you feel would be interesting to see in the game. The standard practice of an in-game news article following a significant change goes without saying. If this is something you wish to do, then like I said please get in touch with me and we can go from there. The same goes for anyone else who feels there's some interesting detail to talk about that otherwise isn't represented all that much via news articles.
RE: Deleting systems poll UPDATE - Lemon - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 05:24 PM)Reeves Wrote:I am talking about CNS News, Canon on forums. They are way more important than in-game news articles. I don't think people even read those, we have literally 20-year-old ones only around on some bases and nobody cares. In-game articles you write for yourself and five other people more or less. Infocards are way more important as they appear on navmap on forums.(04-03-2023, 05:12 PM)Czechmate Wrote: And what the hell do you mean send me a draft
I offered for you to simply suggest any news articles you feel would be interesting to see in the game. The standard practice of an in-game news article following a significant change goes without saying. If this is something you wish to do, then like I said please get in touch with me and we can go from there. The same goes for anyone else who feels there's some interesting detail to talk about that otherwise isn't represented all that much via news articles.