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Admin Notice : Faction Warned - Othman - 08-19-2009
' Wrote:Now this statement is a load of bs. That is like me stating that the QCP is just a bunch of PVP whores who are looking for a new target to go after and decided to pick on the zoners. We zoners just felt your RP reasons were weak, and the QCP was playing outside it's scope. The QCP was set up to attack Kusari, not zoners. It makes little sense for all the sudden for the QCP to attack us when there is very little RP reason to do so. Also why are they not going after Mollys. They support the Corsairs, as do the junkers. With very little RP to show that the Queen has now given the QCP letters of Marque to attack zoners as well, reasons for doing so are slim. Letters of Marque were usually specific on who the recipient could attack and in what area.I'm afraid, its not at all. There is a huge difference. QCP didnt provoke a tension with Zoners without a reason. It all happened because Zoners let Corsair swarms overrun their territories and use them as their own. The diplomatic efforts you have been speaking of seem to have been so feeble and ineffective that such problems arised. Besides, QCP was not set up to attack only Kusari. Corsairs are one of their other foes as for one.
There is a simple fact and you are trying to circumvent it but thats in vain. Zoners found themselves in a mess, simply because of not taking any action against Corsairs, those who used Zoner bases and the shelter of Zoners to organize raids against QCP. Nobody with a sane mind would expect QCP to treat Zoners friendly anymore after this.
' Wrote:We also let the BHG dock, The Order, Junkers, house traders, house police and Military's, GMG, IMG, ect...ect. Wow we would have even let the QCP dock there. We allow everyone to dock at our stations. The Corsairs LIVE in O-49 and 50..so yes there are more of them there to use our facilities. Being who we are, we have to be good neighbors or we will be persecuted everywhere. So letting the Corsairs use our bases is just a poor excuse..Perhaps you should monitor who you let on your bases more carefully, as some of them apparently arent earning a good reputation for you.
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - bluntpencil2001 - 08-19-2009
Also, regarding the TAZ, again I feel this must be mentioned.
Sir Andrew Stuart and the QCP brought Discord to Omega 49, which it was sorely lacking in. The TAZ attempted to impose order against these Bretonian Privateers, who were sowing chaos in the Zoners' fields.
What happened to being Discordian? Did Eris not send our Discord?
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - reisiger_duke - 08-19-2009
' Wrote:Blanket bounties seem somewhat pointless to me, they are more or less a way of declaring war.The issue with declaring war on all Zoners is the very same issue as with the blanket bounties.
I can see them being useful for lawfuls against pirates. IE, people who hand the LPI the shredded bulkhead of a notorious pirate's ship should get rewarded for that.
But just suddenly placing a 'blanket bounty' on the Zoners seems a little silly.
The QCP declaring 'war' on them I can see happening, its one political/military entity refusing to acknowledge the neutrality of another. I can't see someone just saying "I personally dislike Zoners, so Ill pay anyone who can bring me their heads."
Theres two kinds of grievances in Freelancer;
1; personal between characters, which is often what bounties are for...
2; war/animosity between factions.
Zoners are not a unified big house. They're individuals. Some more organized, some less and some thrive in chaos :crazy:. But just declaring war on all Zoners for things happening in one system means that Zoners living on the other side of Sirius suddenly are also valid targets.
As for QCP's actions. As I stated above, antagonizing both Corsairs _and_ Zoners with the goal of causing a rift in the Zoner-Corsair relations on the planet is the wrong way to go about it, it'll only have the opposite effect as now both Zoner and Corsair inhabitants can start swearing about the Brets causing them trouble over a beer in the pub.
If the QCP would observe the NFZ, then the issue is reduced to what Zoners already face wherever they go: The chance of being pirated the moment they leave the area of the Freeports or GC.
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - Thurgret - 08-19-2009
I've nothing I'm going to say to most of this topic, except to say that the following is nonsense:
' Wrote:There is a simple fact and you are trying to circumvent it but thats in vain. Zoners found themselves in a mess, simply because of not taking any action against Corsairs, those who used Zoner bases and the shelter of Zoners to organize raids against QCP. Nobody with a sane mind would expect QCP to treat Zoners friendly anymore after this.http://igiss.net/files/discoverymap.jpg
Take a look at that. Just look at it for a moment. Omega-5 is a Corsair system, and it's right next to Cambridge. What Corsair in their right mind would stage a raid from 49? They'd have to pass through Dublin to even get anywhere, and the Mollys are enemies of the Corsairs.
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - bluntpencil2001 - 08-19-2009
We gain nothing from observing NFZs.
We don't need to dock on Freeports.
We need the Corsairs to have less places to dock.
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - reisiger_duke - 08-19-2009
' Wrote:We gain nothing from observing NFZs.You'd not antagonize the CoZ which would leave open a diplomatic avenue for other things...
We don't need to dock on Freeports.
We need the Corsairs to have less places to dock.
No, but you can still profit from them like everyone else.
Which won't happen if you shoot around in the NFZ, as this polarises all Zoners to oppose you making diplomatic avenues useless.
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - bluntpencil2001 - 08-19-2009
' Wrote:I've nothing I'm going to say to most of this topic, except to say that the following is nonsense:Read the Gran Canaria infocard, please.
http://igiss.net/files/discoverymap.jpg
Take a look at that. Just look at it for a moment. Omega-5 is a Corsair system, and it's right next to Cambridge. What Corsair in their right mind would stage a raid from 49? They'd have to pass through Dublin to even get anywhere, and the Mollys are enemies of the Corsairs.
Zoners sold the Corsairs a back-door route into Bretonia, in particular, the lucrative gold fields of Dublin.
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - schlurbi - 08-19-2009
' Wrote:You know what: we have such a nice system in Germany and I am sick of that, too.
Which one? XD
Anyway. I tried to Role Play it out, Zoner =/= Zoner. Like my Rheinland Zoner, he probably isnt wanted near Corsairs and they are scared anyway. But well, QCP is mad, Zoners are mad. I'd really like to give it a new Role play Chance.
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - Thurgret - 08-19-2009
' Wrote:Read the Gran Canaria infocard, please.The Corsairs have the Omega-5 hole. Dublin is already partly overrun by Mollys, who are enemies of the Corsairs.
Zoners sold the Corsairs a back-door route into Bretonia, in particular, the lucrative gold fields of Dublin.
I could twist everything around and start claiming that QCP want the Mollys to be able to keep their gold for themselves. That's how a lot of your own reasoning seems to go.
Admin Notice : Faction Warned - bluntpencil2001 - 08-19-2009
' Wrote:The Corsairs have the Omega-5 hole. Dublin is already partly overrun by Mollys, who are enemies of the Corsairs.They bought entry from the Zoners to open a second front, to attack the Gold supplies of Bretonia, which are controlled by BMM, Mollys and IMG, not just Mollys. BMM have the only true mining station in Dublin, actually. The other stations are an asteroid base and a derelict battleship.
I could twist everything around and start claiming that QCP want the Mollys to be able to keep their gold for themselves. That's how a lot of your own reasoning seems to go.
Please, read the infocards.