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Under Level Players ? - Turkish - 01-02-2008
With all due respect Creampuff we have the forums for a reason, as far as I am concerned when they load their character onto the server that clearly states "24/7 RP" they acknowledge that it isn't for a romp and layabout while they chat up the future misses. Further more the forums are stated in the console messages, if they want to have a relaxing conversation they shouldn't do it in game, in game is where you play... Suggesting we give them New York so they have somewhere that they can release mindless Banter into syschat really bothers me, that is essentially the hub of Liberty and the destination of most smugglers these days. In effect you are aiding an OORP situation.
If people want to chat and "shoot the breeze" they should find a more appropriate setting than in game over the capital of one of the four houses.
Under Level Players ? - Drake - 01-02-2008
' Wrote:I appreciate not wanting NY to be a chat lobby, but the game should have one somewhere. Freelancer lacks a lobby and never had the benefit of something like Battlenet, but any persistant gaming world should have a way to shoot the breeze with people.
CP
Sorry, I don't want my server lagged up with a couple dozen people sitting and BSing in some system, NY or otherwise. Use TS, or set up an IRC chatroom. Keep it off the server.
Under Level Players ? - Zapp - 01-03-2008
I think there should be a glass ceiling; PvP allowed between lvl 30 and below, and between lvl 31+, but not between the two groups.
Under Level Players ? - looter - 01-03-2008
I spent at least half an hour reading this thread, which, apart from other on-topic reasons, forced me to make a post.
As I was digging through, all the suggestions and opinions started to seem scattered, so I thought of making a table of situations to bring some order into it, marking those we probably want to happen. I didn't draw it in the end because I'm too lazy or it's just the fact that it's 3am in the morning. Anyway, it would look like this:
rows: Attacking pilot
columns: Target pilot
categories:
lawful / unlawful / terrorist
lawfuls are police, military and traders, unlawfuls are pirates and smugglers that are carrying contraband
newbie / fighter below some limit / fighter above some limit / capital ship
---these are, more or less all the possibilities of two ships that are about to meet in New York.
You or I might, perhaps later on ... draw this and think about it (like that you can exclude a capship Xeno :))
As I was digging on, I got a weird idea that a low-rank ship could only be hurt and destroyed if it engages the other. Might help in some cases, but I'm hereby discarding it because I don't want how to implement it and I found a way to exploit it after 5 minutes of reading further.:crazy:
All above contains one important parameter - the rank limit, and I can stick to the most frequent opinion here: if possible, disable PvP (in NY at least) for players with rank below the limit.
The exact value is a question of balance, therefore I'm leaving that to the administrators. Main purpose: to allow low-rank fights with the exclusion of newbies. (we might have been writing too many "30"s above without noticing that)
When commiting this, I was trying to do something which I'm not sure everyone including myself is capable of: looking at the matter from lawful, unlawful and a newbie's point of view, as well as the beforementioned Xeno Angle.
Common courtesy, anyone? :ylove:
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Why isn't there a forum rank for the number of read posts? :D
Under Level Players ? - Xoria - 01-03-2008
' Wrote:I think there should be a glass ceiling; PvP allowed between lvl 30 and below, and between lvl 31+, but not between the two groups.
I completely agree with Zapp.
I am totally and completely opposed to anything that prevents "under 30's" from fighting each other in NY or anywhere else.
I propose:
An "over 30" who kills an "under 30" :
First Offense : no less than 7 days in the prison system; possible loss of credits/guns
Second Offense : obviously this is the work of a sadistic serial killer who should receive the death penalty. Deletion of the character from the server.
Anyone can make a mistake once, but twice is the beginning of a pattern.
If the ability of "under 30's" to fight each other is removed, there is no point whatsoever in having the small ships available because they will be completely useless. Adding credits to a Dagger or Patriot to make them above rank 30 only makes them primetime targets for HFs and VHFs. Having the "under 30 rule" is absolutely necessary to prevent the unsportsmanlike conduct of many players who WILL kill small ships because they are easy targets. The "under 30" rule is the mandatory enforcement of good sportsmanship, because so many people do not practice it voluntarily.
Keeping the ability of players to PvP with each other separated by this rule allows players to fight each other in small ships like the Dagger and Patriot without worrying too much about being harassed and abused by uber ships. It may not be completely realistic, but it is a necessity to make things FUN. And that is the whole point. If realism gets in the way of fun, throw out realism and do what makes the game fun.
Under Level Players ? - Spear - 01-03-2008
I'm for just bannig under lve 30 pvp in NY. If you want to RP a low level ship that fine. Just carry enough cash on board to take it over lvl 30.
Under Level Players ? - Tabris - 01-03-2008
I think it would be more constructive if we made a poll. we take 3 of the better ideas and let the people Vote, the one that get's the most wins by popular vote. *shrugs* That and it helps prevent cluttering this thread.
Under Level Players ? - Zapp - 01-03-2008
Well, I dunno about anyone else, but making it so below 30's couldn't fight would be just wrong... Spear, you were there just a few minutes ago! That was awesome: Patriot LPIs attacking Xeno Hawks in Colorado-- all under level 30, but it was one of the best fights I've ever had. At the end, both sides were satisfied, the Xenos making good remarks, such as "I can't wait until our next encounter".
It would be just wrong to take that away.
Under Level Players ? - Spear - 01-03-2008
' Wrote:Well, I dunno about anyone else, but making it so below 30's couldn't fight would be just wrong... Spear, you were there just a few minutes ago! That was awesome: Patriot LPIs attacking Xeno Hawks in Colorado-- all under level 30, but it was one of the best fights I've ever had. At the end, both sides were satisfied, the Xenos making good remarks, such as "I can't wait until our next encounter".
It would be just wrong to take that away.
Yes it was a great fight, what I am saying is ban under lvl 30 PvP in NY only and even then if you wsh to RP a weak ship just carry enough cash to take you to lvl 30/31. Not saying dont use low lvl ships at all. Just manage your lvl so that the new guys are not forced to play until they are ready.
I am just looking for simple solutions to the low level killing issue so we can return to PvP enabled in NY so there wont be Outcast Battleships farming Liberty Dreadnoughts in front of Manhattan and the OORP chat thats piked back up again in NY.
Today as a LPI Officer I RP'd giving a pilot a ticket outside Manhattan for illegal parking, fine 20 credits, issued RP server rules as a ticket. I thought it was good RP and amusing too, the pilot paid and it was good. Then I then faced a barrage of OOC spam and comments like "You can't enforce crap since pvp in ny is turned off so why even try" from others in the system! :crazy:
Under Level Players ? - Zapp - 01-03-2008
You can only RP people to death if they have any RP in the first place...
But making them over 30 would make them a target for those VHFs/GBs/big ships that like picking on easy targets.