(06-01-2013, 03:38 AM)Karst Wrote:

(06-01-2013, 03:31 AM)Soul Reaper Wrote: The point I'm making is that using your enemy's password that was given to you because of misplaced trust to destroy their base, should be a definite -no-.

Your "enemy's" password? Well, that's the real problem, isn't it?
If you build a base in Bretonian space, the BPA shouldn't be your "enemy".
If it were, your base shouldn't exist in the first place.

The main argument I've heard about possible alternatives involve admin magic.
So does anyone really expect there'd be less QQ if oorp Admin action were taken, rather than inrp BPA action?
Please. The base was eliminated because it posed a threat to national security, as it were.
If you've got a problem with that, take it to the Bretonian government inrp, don't QQ about it oorp.

Do I need to repeat yet again how properly supplied bases are indestructible?
If there had been prior warning, chances are the BPA and BAF simply would not be able to remove the place if necessary.

Now THAT'S oorp.

(06-01-2013, 02:04 AM)Cannon Wrote: Keep it calm guys -- don't insult one another. This is an important discussion and the results of it will probably result in long term policy changes or clarifications.

(06-01-2013, 02:51 AM)Soul Reaper Wrote: There's only two things that happened here, and has nothing to do with inRP reasons because it never really got to that point.

1. The base owner, John, went full-retard and gave out his base's administration password because he "trusted" Summer.
2. Summer went full-backstab (no offense, it's just the best way to explain the action) and removed fuel/crew or whatever, and destroyed the base.

Now while it may seem Summer acted on aforementioned roleplay of the base being ordered to be destroyed by the Bretonian War Cabinet. In no way did Summer have the right to use the means to destroy John's base via his own password. Sure, ordering it's destruction inRP is fine, I don't care, grab some battleships and destroy it if you can, but using the trust of another player to screw him over like that, that's just, no.

Now of course, it was John's stupidity that allowed for all this to happen, so Summer couldn't be blamed entirely, giving up a base password is just..well, stupid.

Now while there are no rules that govern bases, there is one specific rule that governs player interaction, which is 0.0

This has nothing to do with inRP interaction and/or inRP consequences of any sort. This is about a player using the trust of another player against him. And even though I love Summer and I myself do trust him, if I were the admin team I would charge him with 0.0 and possibly ban him for at least a month as well as deleting a few characters that would net a total of around what the base had cost. But that's me.

Either way, the point I'm trying to make is that in my opinion this whole event should have nothing to do with RP, because before the RP, something incredibly bad happened between players in an ooRP context. So for the following quote:

(06-01-2013, 01:06 AM)SummerMcLovin Wrote: I admit that this would have been a better way of RPing it, although it doesn't stop it being ooRPly horrible. Although I appreciate the people backing me up, don't anyone think I'm happy with myself for doing things this way.

Then you shouldn't have done it, and you should be punished for doing it, no matter how you may or may not feel.

(06-01-2013, 03:45 AM)SummerMcLovin Wrote: And Duv, this did remind me of FPXXI. There was a password (demanded by the KNF as all bases were - at least at the time if it has since changed) used to weaken the base, but I cannot remember what exactly happened at the time.

(06-01-2013, 03:49 AM)Soul Reaper Wrote: You're all saying this and "defending" Summer but you miss the fact that Summer himself is attesting to what he did was wrong in a player-interaction sense.

(06-01-2013, 03:42 AM)Soul Reaper Wrote: Bretonia became the enemy the moment they wanted to remove the base. I'm not saying -don't- eliminate the base, if it's a threat to national security, by all means, try and kill it as you're supposed to, with a fleet.

And no, a core 4 base is not indestructible, and if bretonia lacks the manpower to destroy it, that's their problem, that doesn't give them the right to use the guy's password in that way.

(06-01-2013, 04:00 AM)Soul Reaper Wrote: Then you take that up with the devs, that doesn't have to do with the topic at hand, the situation continues according to what we currently have, and that's what bases are right now. So bringing that up is irrelevant, it doesn't have anything to do with ooRP actions. As for building it, as far as I'm aware the base has changed hands and was sold and bought. Just because Bretonia made a mistake in judgement by allowing it to be built in the first place doesn't mean they can use ooRP means and justification to make it right.