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RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Kauket - 03-30-2017
that just happens for pretty much all the trade events though, nor can you change people overnight. also factions didn't really get a heads up about making RP for the event either
(except the last one with the order, where-as it was only the order ID getting the bonus)
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Sombs - 03-30-2017
Solution would have been to allow only the officials to buy the commodity and to override the inRP laws completely regarding the cargo. That way you would only have military officials roam around, and people would be more likely to log pirates to get their hands on that pretty expensive cargo. I mean, I saw some corsairs pirating, and Commune in New York. I mean, look at the scoreboards. The guys that have the monopoly are noname-lolwuts, with the exception of BDM and the Liberty Navy factions.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Kauket - 03-30-2017
Even if it was restricted to Official factions, that doesn't help anything. Not everyone wants to be in one, and events should be publicly available, not restricted to a select few players, it doesn't promote activity or fun.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Sombs - 03-30-2017
I'm sure the server benefits from systematic lolwutting.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Laura C. - 03-30-2017
(03-30-2017, 02:20 PM)Etaphreven Wrote: EDIT: Also, the /renameme command has a 1 week cooldown as far as I know. You can't just rename all day long.There used to be very easy trick how to go around the cooldown (which I am not going to share for obvious reason). So unless it was fixed, you can rename yourself without any limits ten times a day.
(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: So you see, the officials have it less easy than lolwuts. They have to be responsible. They need to RP the stuff out first (with Rheinland and Kusari very, very slow on responses).Actually Kusari was the first one who solved the legal issues by unilateral decision. Interesting solution, mainly easy and quick.
Rheinland is working on the deal, but it takes time, there is more than one person involved since there are three lawful factions involved (and some of the people are busy iRL unfortunately). We are not "very, very slow", it just can not be finished within day or two and we got details of the event regarding routes and such on Sunday (or even Monday, not sure about that). Like I said previously, if someone would give us heads up, we would start with necessary roleplay in advance.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Sombs - 03-30-2017
Good that you share that. Didn't see that Kusari transmission. (y)
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Cursetantine - 03-30-2017
I mean, Rheinland Government is RPing itself pretty successfully, there should be enormous amounts of bureaucracy traffic in Rheinland, right?
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Etaphreven - 03-30-2017
Okay, let's take them one by one.
1.
(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: To make money in this event, you only need to make a new character. That is done in five minutes. /restart RhCorpRepublican, move to Alster, pay 220 million for Stork + 5000 units event commodity from the Westphalen. So you're on the go.
That's something you can do in general as well, it's not event related.
2.
(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: You give your ship a ***** name, something totally unregocnizeable. I could make a list of lolwut names from the actual event, actually, but I prefer to not call people out.
You can always give your tradeship a "lolwut" name. Nothing to do with this event.
3.
(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: If you get caught smuggling, you either get fined or shot down and you simply can start over, with the only loss being 25 million credits from the load.
So nothing new? Except normally you don't lose 25 million, but less. Still nothing to do with the event.
4.
(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: You don't even lose much time, because you can simply go to another route. And what the usual smugglers do, I already mentioned posts earlier.
True, you have more smuggling options. But you have more smuggling options in general too, so it's not really related to the event.
5.
(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: The lolwut-smugglers are literally no benefit for the server. They do minimal RP, if anything, and avoid certain areas by counter-playerlisting, quickdocking, F1 in space and all that. Police-forces can FR5 them, they simply rename.
That happens, like, always. Nothing to do with the event. Lolwuts will always exist. Or you mean people who generally RP now make lolwut chars? Well then they're asshats. I smuggle with a well established character.
6.
(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: With officials, you don't have that. They are players of a certain responsibility. If they behave like that, they are more likely to kicked out. Officials have to show more carefulness. They could go smuggling, but they can't simply rename, because they represent the faction. If a Liberty Military Freighter gets caught in Rheinland smuggling, it has consequences. Action -> Reactio. To avoid that being smuggling, people need to RP. So far, only Bretonia did so, as Thunderer sent messages to Rheinland for Straussberg and Mississipi in Texas. Those people care about inRP consistency and immersion, other than lolwut-traders that magically get their hands on Samura ID Kujiras (lol!) and also get their cargo bays stuffed with military cargo as if the people on board of battleships wouldn't check the papers.
If officials behave NOPEy, F1 in space and all that, their feedback threads are on fire like after a meal at KFC.
So you see, the officials have it less easy than lolwuts. They have to be responsible. They need to RP the stuff out first (with Rheinland and Kusari very, very slow on responses).
This is another topic entirely. Nobody was comparing indies to officials.
The only real thing that might encourage the kind of behaviour you talk about is the fact that the rewards are higher. It is an event, of course they are higher. If they weren't, people wouldn't participate.
I smuggle with my FL ID Serenity and nobody has stopped me so far. Even the pirates are lazy and only ask like 5 million when my profit is 42.5 million per run. That's something they have to fix, not me. If they taxed more, I wouldn't be so careless when smuggling. If police tried to catch me more, like they usually do when there's no event, I wouldn't be so careless when smuggling. So that's something they have to fix, not me.
The issue I see is the fact that everyone has the same reward. Officials should have it much higher in order to balance it out with smuggling being open ended. This can indeed encourage people to make smugglers instead of using their officials, but none of the behaviors you listed above are new. People will "lolwut" regardless. They will just "lolwut" for more money now.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Sombs - 03-30-2017
Yeah, I know you wouldn't want anyone to edit the event you're profiting about with billions.
Quote:1.(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: To make money in this event, you only need to make a new character. That is done in five minutes. /restart RhCorpRepublican, move to Alster, pay 220 million for Stork + 5000 units event commodity from the Westphalen. So you're on the go.
That's something you can do in general as well, it's not event related.
Quote:2.(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: You give your ship a ***** name, something totally unregocnizeable. I could make a list of lolwut names from the actual event, actually, but I prefer to not call people out.
You can always give your tradeship a "lolwut" name. Nothing to do with this event.
Quote:3.(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: If you get caught smuggling, you either get fined or shot down and you simply can start over, with the only loss being 25 million credits from the load.
So nothing new? Except normally you don't lose 25 million, but less. Still nothing to do with the event.
Quote:4.(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: You don't even lose much time, because you can simply go to another route. And what the usual smugglers do, I already mentioned posts earlier.
True, you have more smuggling options. But you have more smuggling options in general too, so it's not really related to the event.
Quote:5.(03-30-2017, 02:40 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: The lolwut-smugglers are literally no benefit for the server. They do minimal RP, if anything, and avoid certain areas by counter-playerlisting, quickdocking, F1 in space and all that. Police-forces can FR5 them, they simply rename.
That happens, like, always. Nothing to do with the event. Lolwuts will always exist. Or you mean people who generally RP now make lolwut chars? Well then they're asshats. I smuggle with a well established character.
Those things are all related to the event, as you make 85 million credits with full 5k and only buy it for 25 millions. Ergo: 60 million netto. That's way beyond ore trading. So you don't even have PoB-based interactions during this event. People are encouraged to make lolwuts to smuggle here, while the ore trades are legal business.
And then again, with the reward for successful smuggle way higher than the reward for intercepting smugglers, I do fully understand why both lawfuls and unlawfuls are rather hesitant (and not lazy) to log seriously for hours to camp their turf. On that I agree. However, things can easily be changed to have the right people benefit from the event. Not only people that play lolwut on an RP server.
People don't have to act reasonable/responsible with the current settings. They don't even need to interact. Instead, they earn billions within a day, effectively shortening the amount of time you need to invest for bigger projects. Long-term motivation is shortened effectively by that, when you don't have any goals to work for anymore. That might be different for you, but there are other people that are fully working like that. I think low-effort shouldn't be rewarded.
RE: [Event] An Exchange of Pleasantries + GRP ID Conversion (Active!) - Kauket - 03-30-2017
(03-30-2017, 03:16 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: I'm sure the server benefits from systematic lolwutting.
Sitting there and complain doesn't either. People will always trade to earn money in the game.
Keep in mind that some people who do this are new too, and just grouping everyone up as a 'lolwut' doesn't really mean or help much.
Don't forget /only/ the official factions/tagged groups/people with the proper IDs are getting the rewards.
I don't care if people are indies and doing the event, it just means I get to pirate them for big doshies too.