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Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - Jihadjoe - 05-23-2008
What is this about Zapp? I only see Eppy and I posting here right now...
You want to do a well timed military strike... well, thats kinda bypassing the players on this server to make you life easier and to further avoid roleplay isn't it....
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - mazdamack - 05-23-2008
In the interest of understanding, both and rp and irl, i think i need to specify something.
My char's have no desire to make enemies of the outcasts. the whole bit about me attacking corsiaca, just a way to vent frustration (ie - "i'll show that guy something or two, mumble, mumble, mumble). If im not kos i have no desire to attck. its tht simple.
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - bluntpencil2001 - 05-23-2008
' Wrote:Credits are a powerful incentive.
Michael Corleone will switch sides and shoot down the other BLS if you pay 300 million credits. In unmarked Libertonian bills, of course.
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - Eppy - 05-23-2008
You can't have an RP event without two sides, bub. I'd think you'd have realized that by now. And the reason we're not there is because we can't be RIGHT THERE! all the time. Also:
![[Image: motivator892605.jpg]](http://bighugelabs.com/flickr/output/motivator892605.jpg)
EDIT:
Quote:Michael Corleone will switch sides and shoot down the other BLS if you pay 300 million credits. In unmarked Libertonian bills, of course.
Adrian, you filthy, stinking traitor!:lol:
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - mazdamack - 05-23-2008
' Wrote:What is this about Zapp? I only see Eppy and I posting here right now...
okay, i had that one coming. and i feel like an idiot for that one. post edited. see what getting excited can do to some people.
and zapp, if your reading this, my sincere apoligies.
love the pic about you wanna give civilians what? does sum up your pov.
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - Eppy - 05-23-2008
![[Image: motivator7510065.jpg]](http://bighugelabs.com/flickr/output/motivator7510065.jpg)
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - mazdamack - 05-23-2008
where do you get these things. i wish i could surf the net while at work and find these neat things. Instead i just spend all my time playing video games. . . (sob sob sob) I have no life (more sobbing).
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - mazdamack - 05-23-2008
let try to make this a constructive debate that some pssible good, fun can come out of this. i really do think there is a happy medium in the middle
Yes i am new, and i am going to make mistakes. On the other hand after about 4 months of actually playing the game, i think i get the general understanding of the whoel rp nature.
okay just re-read most of the main posts in this topics i see 2 debates
1) - could an indie player possibly a cap ship rp-leagally - probably not.
I agree that corsica makes, controls, and license all outcast ships if they are only MANUFACTURED there, not where ever they are sold. not knowing what size ship can be considered to be built planetside, i'm going to assume that would mean anythig bigger that a freighter-class vessel since a planet couldnt make a ship that size planetside, and since i see no other shipyard in outcast space, corsica is the only place it could come from. It hurts me so much to say this, as this entirely kills any chance of me getting my dreadie as an indie, but hey, its my honest opinion now. This is where my bad rp mistake first was and now i see the error of my ways. I still think my rp contract offer was nice enough to cover it. The rp story, probably not good enough. In fact, im just gonna say not good enough and give up all together.
This then leads to the other debat i see -
2) - how does an indie player ever get the chance to fly a big ship without joining a faction and all that comes with it if the police their cap ship policy - they dont, and this is the problem.
for the same reason some people choose not to join the armes forces of their country, some players do not want to join an offical faction and get bogged down with taking orders. thats why they are called independent.
If there were a Civilian Battleship, all the indie's could be forced to buy that in an rp manner, i can easily see this with my limited knowlegde of the rp environment here. That is asking for a lot from the already overtaxed developers and admins. So that leaves us the community. Simple solution - designate one currently unpoliced cap ship manufacture as the only rp-legit one indies could fly. Perhaps the Osiris for the BS, Huntress or Talarca Cruiser (not sure who makes those) for the crusier/destroyer class. Not sure what to do about the gunboats. Perhaps leave those open to all chars since i dont know of a good canidate (suggestions anyone).
I still think the best way would be to do an 'assigning" of ship the way start-up faction members is done, but, once again, i think that is asking too much from Fellow_Hood and his peers (or whoever handels that part). We can only imangine what they would say if we asked them to do this. after reading many of Hoods write up in the rules violation reports forum, i can amlost imagine his stright forward response - just read SpaceMerc's quote in my sig.
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - Laowai - 05-23-2008
' Wrote:That's exactly what it is, Laowai, a way to deal with people who can't RP so the people that can have clean space to play in. I will not stand for the 'Discovery Capwhore's Union' trying to shut us down because, simply, it is an Out of Roleplay organization and has no bearing as such as to what the 101st does. You honestly think you can just put yourselves above us like that? I really don't think that works...
The Discovery Capwhore's Union by the way.. is me, well... and the voices in my head, of which there are many, but essentially its me. I just called myself that cos i cant count the amount of threads i've been in now where i'm sticking up for Indy cap ships - someone has to, they are under represented on the forums and drowned out by fighter and bomber whores and they have just as much right to be here....
However....
So as to shutting anyone down, i never said that, all i made was vague references to picketing offices or some such rubbish, how anyone pickets an office on a forum.. is beyond me, but im a role playing indy cap whore, i could find a way.
Do we (I) honestly think we could put ourselves (myself) above the 101st like that, well.. i never said i did, i just said i would stick up for people and their right to fly what they like. Because nowhere in the rules does it say a faction can control what ship a player can or cant fly, especially if that player Role Plays it.
But Eppy... before you jump up and down at me... here is the catch:
In this one, you're completly in the right - if the ship in question is sold only in the guard system that the 101st has bought and paid for, then you have the rules on your side and the 101st can police the buying of that ship.
Thats a server rule people, the 101st owns that system, and so they have the right to say what goes on there. While i still support the right of a player to play in what they like, in this instance the rule of system ownership over-rides that.
I think the idea of blowing up the offending ships is a little uncreative, but thats just my personal opinion and has no bearing on any of this.
Suggest everyone buy a smaller ship that is available somewhere else.
The Discovery Capwhore's union (Myself and the voices in my head) will not be picketing over this one.
I have a headache.
Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID? - Jihadjoe - 05-23-2008
:lol: thats mighty funny ben...
We -do- allow good roleplay stories to get the capships they wish for. That is how you get your ship. For those of you who wish it I (and others I'm sure) will give help with the story and promote people working with us in a constuctive way. I don't have anything against cap ship owners. Infact I love capships (not to fly, those horrible chunks of innertia) being around... It is awesome when you're in a losing fight and all of a sudden there is a friendly destroyer on scope coming in to save the day... AWESOME!!!
This is simply to stop the 'Lolz I am outcast I kills you n00b' from very dangerous ships.
However if anyone wants a hand in writing a story to submit to eppy or any of the other people with the authority to make the decision, then I am willing to help.