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RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Potter Harry - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 06:06 PM)Marburg Wrote: Let 'em circumvent their bans all they like...it's obvious they like the game & want to be accepted back otherwise they wouldn't spend the time trying to blow smoke up our asses while simultaneously threatening to be pricks until they get what they want. They're both complete fools to think they should be rewarded with forgiveness
Do you want us to, instead, spread white lies, then? Sure, we could say "in the case we aren't given a second chance, we will behave regardless and you won't heard anything from us ever again", but that would defeat the whole purpose of being given a second chance. We aren't threatening you with anything. We're simply stating to which behavior we resort when there isn't anything to lose to begin with. It's a "meh, might as well" case, not a "we'll do this if you won't do that" one. I understand how it may come over as a threat, though.
(06-13-2013, 06:15 PM)narchlojentak Wrote: Maybe a silly question to J & D, but if you so want to back to community and want to prove you can be better...why aren´t you just "silently" playing and proving it? You obviously can go around ban. So why aren´t you just playing and hiding yourself between other players? Because I don´t get how admins can find you, only option which comes to my mind is that you are breaking the rules again and again and then admins notice you, find your accounts and delete them.
We've tried the silent approach before. Read the last few pages of the thread, it should have it explained.
As for identifying us, apparently our behavioral patterns are quite extraordinary, and even if we're following rules we're easily noticed. Pretending to be someone I'm not in order to erase any suspicion raised through that isn't something I want to do, though, but by the looks of it that's starting to be the only way to even achieve anything in my favor.
(06-13-2013, 06:23 PM)MiniStryke Wrote: However, I don't see why you feel the need to circumvent bans all the time...like, does that make you feel good? Is that why you do it?
Because you can't play on a server without circumventing a ban if you're banned from that particular server while wanting to play on it.
(06-13-2013, 06:27 PM)Redon Wrote: Instead of demanding to be unbanned in order to "play nice", just play nice regardless and you might just earn it the other way around. If I'm reading the OP right, you're trying to make us believe you should be unbanned because being banned makes it impossible for you to behave like anything than complete jackasses. I hope you see how this is a pretty silly argument.
We're not demanding anything. We're coming forward with a proposition which is in everyone's best interest, at least in our opinion. The poll results should accurately show how many people agree with it, are undecided about it and how many disagree with it.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Luke. - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 06:46 PM)Potter Harry Wrote:(06-13-2013, 06:23 PM)MiniStryke Wrote: However, I don't see why you feel the need to circumvent bans all the time...like, does that make you feel good? Is that why you do it?
Because you can't play on a server without circumventing a ban if you're banned from that particular server while wanting to play on it.
Lawl. And who's fault is that?
Basically, Jetblack worded the Original Post really badly, like you 2 were sat on a throne with your proposition. That's how I see it, anyway.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Potter Harry - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 06:45 PM)MiniStryke Wrote: Can you honestly blame them though? Really? Not their fault they've had to deal with 2 problem children for months on top of everything else, for the sake of the rest of Discovery...which is basically the last active server keeping the damn game alive.
I don't blame them, for one. I don't even blame anyone but myself for my own behavior, since it's my decision how I react to events. If it seemed like I did blame anyone, I'm sorry. I was simply listing the facts.
(06-13-2013, 06:48 PM)MiniStryke Wrote: Lawl. And who's fault is that?
Basically, Jetblack worded the Original Post really badly, like you 2 were sat on a throne with your proposition. That's how I see it, anyway.
Our own fault, surely, but it shouldn't surprise you that we choose to circumvent that ban if we actually do like playing on this server a lot.
I would have worded the OP differently, but in the end, the message I'd try to transmit with it would be the same. Jetblack can make it sound pretty passive aggressive, I admit.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Oorn - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 06:45 PM)MiniStryke Wrote: Can you honestly blame them though? Really? Not their fault they've had to deal with 2 problem children for months on top of everything else, for the sake of the rest of Discovery...which is basically the last active server keeping the damn game alive.
Problem children or not, moderator turned it into flood thread and admin talks about "stuff only he can see" and trolling. Thats exactly what i call "not helping it".
And its quite arguable, what is better for the rest of Discovery.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - VerbalArtist - 06-13-2013
I'm trying to figure out your reasoning here...
If I know Doj, I know that you're most likely trying to get the admin's eyes off of you so you can pull one of your Penn noob raids or something. But even if you were unbanned, doing what you've been doing will get you banned by the next day.
What I'm asking is: Will you continue such behavior if you were to be given this second chance?
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Switchback - 06-13-2013
Why don't you play nice ingame like others who have circumvented said perma-bans and get an exception made for you once you prove you are not going to be utter trolls? The admins love their little exceptions, they got Dubstep/Smokey back, why not you.
However, that being said, I voted no because this little publicity stunt in flood of all places is counter productive to your un-banning.
Suggestion: Play within the boundaries of the rules. Being silly or crazy or stupid within said rules is perfectly fine, people like the indians do it all the time. If people ask who you are, don't lie. But then ask which rules you have broken on that character excetera.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Potter Harry - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 06:56 PM)VerbalArtist Wrote: What I'm asking is: Will you continue such behavior if you were to be given this second chance?
Yes, obviously. I wouldn't put this much effort into something only to throw it away for a joke.
(06-13-2013, 06:58 PM)Switchback Wrote: Why don't you play nice ingame like others who have circumvented said perma-bans and get an exception made for you once you prove you are not going to be utter trolls? The admins love their little exceptions, they got Dubstep/Smokey back, why not you.
I think he did have a few staff members backing him a 100% due to a buddy-buddy relationship. I'm sure it can make all the difference. But anyway, I posted the reason to my lack of moral regarding playing nicely ingame in this thread already, multiple times even, I think. If you don't feel like looking it up yourself, I'll go and quote it for you. I'm in the middle of something now though, and I rather save as much time as possible.
(06-13-2013, 06:58 PM)Switchback Wrote: However, that being said, I voted no because this little publicity stunt in flood of all places is counter productive to your un-banning.
Jetblack posted the thread in General Discussion. A moderator moved it to flood for reasons unknown to me.
(06-13-2013, 06:58 PM)Switchback Wrote: Suggestion: Play within the boundaries of the rules. Being silly or crazy or stupid within said rules is perfectly fine, people like the indians do it all the time. If people ask who you are, don't lie. But then ask which rules you have broken on that character excetera.
Apparently that's one of the things explicitly disliked by the admins, which is fine. There's plenty of room for messing around someplace else. Discovery is a "heavy roleplay" server, after all.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Luke. - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 06:55 PM)Oorn Wrote:(06-13-2013, 06:45 PM)MiniStryke Wrote: Can you honestly blame them though? Really? Not their fault they've had to deal with 2 problem children for months on top of everything else, for the sake of the rest of Discovery...which is basically the last active server keeping the damn game alive.
Problem children or not, moderator turned it into flood thread and admin talks about "stuff only he can see" and trolling. Thats exactly what i call "not helping it".
And its quite arguable, what is better for the rest of Discovery.
I don't really blame the admin for that either really, call it asslicking but I know what it's like to be an admin on a thriving server. Sometimes you have to impose authority to get them to realise that they can't win, no matter what.
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Hawk - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 12:13 PM)JetBlack Wrote: My evidence that it can only be good...
We already have access to the server regardless of how many bans admins try.
We can already do anything without repercussions. Including being a complete dick to anyone.
We can always get more than enough cash near instantly.
We can always continue making people rage quit.
The only thing that would be done essentially is letting us play without a disguise, and under the restriction of less dickery.
We wouldn't even waste our time on this forum if we weren't up for the idea of toning down our antics. We'd just go back kill everything in sight as usual, and drive new players off the server.
Where as letting us back in gives people a break and causes less trouble.
So, letting you back would give people a break. Here's the thing, contrary to popular belief we don't spend a lot of time hunting down banned players so we can ban them again. I spend more time in a kayak than I do worrying about any of this. As you have already pointed out you have an unlimited number of proxies that we can't trace. If you wanted to come back and be a productive member of the community there would be no way for us to track you. The problem is you just can't do that. The last time you tried to "give people a break and cause less trouble" it generated fifteen violation reports in less than two weeks. So, you see if you want to come back and keep a low profile and not cause trouble, you are by your own admission already able to do that. You just don't seem to be able to resist the compulsion to cause trouble. The only reason you get deleted on sight is because you can't seem to make a move without making your presence known to us.
We have discussed this many times and most admins are actually open to the idea of letting you come back........if you ever demonstrate that you can go for a reasonable amount of time without causing any trouble. Until that happens we see nothing else to discuss. All that we have now is your threat to continue causing as much trouble as you can unless we unban you.
Oh, and if you really do have access to an unlimited amount of credits, then why is Doj constantly pretending to be a girl to get more money from people?
RE: Poll: Jetblack & Doj - Blodo - 06-13-2013
(06-13-2013, 12:13 PM)Vriska Wrote: One of you should provide one solid reason aside from the fact you don't like us that this is a bad idea.Call me unhinged but, exactly because you try to rationalise it in the way that it will be "better for us" if you are unbanned, I would rather not unban you at all.
My evidence that it can only be good...
We already have access to the server regardless of how many bans admins try.
We can already do anything without repercussions. Including being a complete dick to anyone.
We can always get more than enough cash near instantly.
We can always continue making people rage quit.
The only thing that would be done essentially is letting us play without a disguise, and under the restriction of less dickery.
We wouldn't even waste our time on this forum if we weren't up for the idea of toning down our antics. We'd just go back kill everything in sight as usual, and drive new players off the server.
Where as letting us back in gives people a break and causes less trouble.
The simple fact is that by making this thread into a reality show in the first place through the manner in which you post, you show everybody that in fact you don't want to play on this server, you just want to troll and even if we were stupid enough to not see through the rusing that is taking place here, come unban you'd be re permabanned in T-1 week maximum - and that's probably me being quite generous. In the end it boils down to this: it takes less effort to press ban on a couple of reported characters than it does for you to go scam noobs in penn or ask skype friends to give you cash so you can fly a character for 5 minutes before it gets perma'd. Admins aren't really getting tired of deleting/banning chars yet, so we can carry this game on for a while yet. The reason why it's not tiresome in the slightest is that we don't even need to look for reasons to ban, it's just right there and unquestionable by way of your behaviour both on and off the server.
The only way to get accepted back is to stop being an arsehole. And if you don't actually want to change, then I guess the bans can keep flowing. Point of interest: if you pretend you want to change but don't actually (as Doj suggested at the top of this page), it would work only once anyway.
So I would suggest if you really want to get unbanned that you try this thread again, this time without the dick swinging, threat making and troll science style "logic".