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RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Backo - 12-22-2016
(12-22-2016, 08:12 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote:(12-22-2016, 07:53 PM)Bloodl1ke Wrote:(12-22-2016, 07:49 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Ask another faction inRP to support your cause and start conquering NC OC stations. Maybe you even get your own stations, independent from NC. Seriously, there is so much that can be done if people get their butts up to try and put effort into it.
Are you implying we can get a new NPC faction that is not Outcast and have some Outcast stations use that IFF instead? I mean that would be really cool indeed, but the way I see it most likely all OC bases will remain OC bases under the one and only OC NPC faction and thus what you inRP write on the forums will hold no value over the game world we play in.
EDIT: Because at the end of the day no matter how much 101st tries to pretend they've captured say Miguel Outpost - they will still be red to it and NC will be green.
Vasko, with enough roleplay backing it up, you can make an official player faction that can try to conquer Malta. It's a roleplay server. If you do it the right way, you can achieve things like Outcasts being welcome in Bretonia, Leeds being conquered by Garlics. If I remember correctly, that wasn't the case in Vanilla. However, even with enough roleplay done about it, it's still a thing that needs some type of judgement, regulation and communication. Like, you know there are official events?
Like, of course 101st must gather enough power to pull of something like that. They can't just pull marines out of their butts - contrary to the Core, who clones them- but with diplomacy, conspiracy and all that, sure, they could compete with NC.
-Outcasts and Bretonia might've been dev lore decision, not entirely sure though. You could be right on that one that it was player driven.
-Leeds being lost to Gallics was entirely dev driven and players had no say. In fact players never wanted Gallia to begin with. So not a good example.
Also right now inRP I believe my character was given rights to govern Manoel Outpost. But Manoel Outpost is OC IFF. My character say supports the 101st cause and wants to house them. How do I do that? There is no other IFF Manoel can be bound to that is Outcast. Unless we decide to use the Outcast Guard IFF as 101st IFF. But then suddenly Manoel will be red to so many people it shouldn't be red to just because they never took an OC bribe.
If we are just going to roleplay things without even having the ingame world into account we might as well not bother putting the gameplay server up again and stick to the forums and skype.
RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Divine - 12-22-2016
(12-22-2016, 08:17 PM)Sanja Wrote: ... From what Erato told me there was a proposal to retcon everything before FR5 was posted and proposal was rejected by 101st.Foxglove asked on Skype if I want,... wait...
[19.12.2016 19:45:28] Michael (Erato): Well, still, what does follow from that? Do you want to have all deleted?
[19.12.2016 19:56:26] Divine: You guys can still follow an other course inRP. Otherwise I don't know what else we've to talk about. Deleting RP isn't going to happen now that it involved lots of others already.
Which was after the NC already had contacted other groups about this and I sure as hell am the last one to retcon RP that already involved two other factions at least. Sorry for being nice.
RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Xenon - 12-22-2016
(12-22-2016, 03:07 PM)Divine Wrote:(12-22-2016, 03:06 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: The group function is not inRP, ...And yet people flying ships hostile to each other get sanctioned for grouping.
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RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Divine - 12-22-2016
(12-22-2016, 08:21 PM)Xenon Wrote:Which didn't happen in the case I had linked and [TBH] and [101st] still got smacked for it. So no grouping on hostile to each other groups.
Just a note @Divine, When players are in Conn, then they can group to each others even if they are on enemies characters towards each others. When they are not in Conn, then they can also stay in the same group even if they are using characters which are enemies to each others, BUT if they or even one of the group members decided to engage in RP interaction in space with someone else, then they should leave the group and make sure that they are in a group that makes sense inRP. That's all about it.
RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Sombs - 12-22-2016
(12-22-2016, 08:16 PM)Bloodl1ke Wrote:(12-22-2016, 08:12 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Quote-pyramidAlso right now inRP I believe my character was given rights to govern Manoel Outpost. But Manoel Outpost is OC IFF. My character say supports the 101st cause and wants to house them. How do I do that? There is no other IFF Manoel can be bound to that is Outcast. Unless we decide to use the Outcast Guard IFF as 101st IFF. But then suddenly Manoel will be red to so many people it shouldn't be red to just because they never took an OC bribe.
If we are just going to roleplay things without even having the ingame world into account we might as well not bother putting the gameplay server up again and stick to the forums and skype.
I'd like to see the links to that, just out of curiousity and to learn more about it. When was that? Was that when you were an official faction? When did that stop? What happened in the meantime, aside from Crimson Cross fading away to be replaced by National Council? There are so many things in the dark about that. Like, nothing hinders people from getting an alternative ID, like [LN] and 5th|. The reputation thing is something that can be dealt with, though.
Also, don't exclude the ingame world from the roleplay environment. That's where the things are done. Events take place there, not in the forum or in Skype. Fights take place there, not on the forum or via Skype.
Quote:-Leeds being lost to Gallics was entirely dev driven and players had no say. In fact players never wanted Gallia to begin with. So not a good example.
You still get the idea. OFPs have / can have a certain influence on the story - at least from what I have noticed in the recent nine months, like the Hellfire Legion and the Commonwealth having become a thing and what not.
RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Backo - 12-22-2016
(12-22-2016, 08:26 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: wall of text
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Roleplay done with Shiki's Loyola while she was still part of NC High Command
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But for quite the long time Hellfire legion was a faction that had 2-3 devs in it. I'm unaware how many they got right now, but at least Durandal is there, heh.
When was the last time you saw a faction that had no dev/admin force on it get something that changed the gameplay world because of their own demand and not the devs' whim?
RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Sombs - 12-22-2016
(12-22-2016, 08:33 PM)Bloodl1ke Wrote:(12-22-2016, 08:26 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: wall of textWhen was the last time you saw a faction that had no dev/admin force on it get something that changed the gameplay world because of their own demand and not the devs' whim?
That's actually a good point, as someone needs to do the stuff. I might be wrong, but I remember Lyth made suggestions for changing Omicron Rho back then when I was in the Core. I don't know though why the things didn't make it in.
Thanks for the link though, will take a look at it later. Dinner calls. Which means Dinner calls to be made. ._.
Edit: Can't remember to have seen Valdez being part of NC. I don't know, but can character commanding an NPC station without being part of the official faction?
RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Backo - 12-22-2016
(12-22-2016, 08:39 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Edit: Can't remember to have seen Valdez being part of NC. I don't know, but can character commanding an NPC station without being part of the official faction?
Zoners used to do it. Like most Freeport administrators were individuals back in the days.
RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Sombs - 12-22-2016
That's interesting. Well, why don't you use your power then, Vasko?
EDIT: How did enforcing the laws and regulations of an NPC station look like back then, though?
RE: Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences(TM) and cloaks - Sombs - 12-22-2016
Tutashkia is also only one Outcast and manages to siege Manhattan every now and then, though. Diplomacy!