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Battleships- a solution - Exsiled_one - 09-03-2009
Aren't rules education and coaching?
okay, well.. Dumbasses are everywhere. And yes nooblet we're in the same boat here when we look at the faction capships. Those being oorp should remain oorp.
And Hyung, I'll never metagame by saying "you can't shoot me i'm in trade ship" while i'm actually pirating. IIrc BH BS has a CD as well, but its alright. I don't know I'm tired. I don't care. I'm a pirate, i'll always be. When things get too dumb around me, I'll move to the happier place. Thats about it.
Have it your way, but you're holding your ground like very stubborn persons. I had a OC gunboat freelancer undock from Cadiz last night and blast me right in front of it, then he docked back.
When i asked him why, he said "freelancer, i can."
I had him blown up by OPG. But I dont think everyone has "opg" behind them that can come and solve the situation.
If this is an example of lameness you're talking about Nooblet, I wonder how would you deal with him. How can you educate someone that doesn't respond to your messages later or has poor english skills?
I just hope things normalize eventually.
Thats enough from me.
Battleships- a solution - Agran Harper - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:let me explain. it is due to the minority of people like you that im still playing freelancer, that im still a part of the disco community, that im still working on various mod-works for the community. for those who have the sense and courtesy to give the same amount of respect and space to other people as they would in real life, i have alot of respect for, and more than look forward to playing with, even though its a rare thing.Thank you for the kind words and thanks to the others who have not been stating their disgust upon my unwanted "self-proclamation".
I will rest my case in this thread because it gets way out of hand for my taste. I will try to get my facts under the noses of the rest in a different manner.
Battleships- a solution - chovynz - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:Aren't rules education and coaching?
okay, well.. Dumbasses are everywhere. And yes nooblet we're in the same boat here when we look at the faction capships. Those being oorp should remain oorp.
And Hyung, I'll never metagame by saying "you can't shoot me i'm in trade ship" while i'm actually pirating. You choose what you want to do, and what you put to teh terms metagaming. Me? I'm going to play by the server rules. I'll avoid BS as best I can, but sometimes poo happens. And when it does, you can SS and report. IIrc BH BS has a CD as well, but its alright. I don't know I'm tired. I don't care. I'm a pirate, i'll always be. When things get too dumb around me, I'll move to the happier place. Thats about it.
Have it your way, but you're holding your ground like very stubborn persons. I am a very stubborn person. I'm also right, in this case. There is no other option availble to you. Try to talk? if that doesn't work, report. It is very clear what they can and cannot do. Ignorance of the server rules is no excuse.
I had a OC gunboat freelancer undock from Cadiz last night and blast me right in front of it, then he docked back.
When i asked him why, he said "freelancer, i can."
Cadiz is a Corsair base. If an OC docks there he is OORP docking for one. Next he is talking OORP (in pm or system?) There is sanction material right there.
To that I say, Discovery Server Rules. And Common Sense. He cannot.
I had him blown up by OPG. But I dont think everyone has "opg" behind them that can come and solve the situation. No but they do have the bounty boards. They can also ask other people to do so. if you are part of teh NPC faction, you might be able to ask the official faction for help in blowing him up...
If this is an example of lameness you're talking about Nooblet, I wonder how would you deal with him. How can you educate someone that doesn't respond to your messages later or has poor english skills?
Sanctions. If they don't respond to English or polite PM's there is nothing else you can do. Or should do. By choosing to act as Dumbarses they bring, whatever the admins so choose, on themselves. It is NOT the players job to change people.
I just hope things normalize eventually.
Thats enough from me.
Battleships- a solution - BillG8s - 09-03-2009
Without the freedom to fly almost any ship you want, you kinda loose the idea of freelancer!
People should be free, we do not need more rules or restrictions!
Battleships- a solution - MB52 - 09-03-2009
' Wrote:I vote for number two.
But apply that at least to both BSs and BCs.
Yup the order carrier is spammed, but the LABC is too.
It make no sense that there are more LABCs out there than there are liberty siege cruisers.
Applying that to the cruisers and dessies as well might be good too.
I am also sure it would reduce the PvPwhoring in caps and maybe also reduce the numbers of threads on buff caps.
If it helps my LABC will eventually become a Dreadnought again :P
Battleships- a solution - Jihadjoe - 09-03-2009
Honestly, I'm stunned by how many of you are missing out on that fantastic idea of compromise.
Anarchism or authoritarianism are not the only two positions you can take. Re-read my first post in this thread.
Listen to all those people who're saying "Yes it's unfair to stop people from flying caps, however if they screw up they should have their highly visable and powerful ship removed", because damnit, they're right.
I want to state again battleships are not the problem. Battlecruisers are the problem right now.
Battleships- a solution - JIVA - 09-03-2009
but - jihad, are you fair there?
what if bombers were the problem or VHF? - same measures taken? - and ..... what exactly qualifies as a "problem" and who is it to define the "problem". - there are ( at least to me ) the problems with all of those attempts. - the intention may be good... yes. - but the "solutions" are not worked out properly.
in all the recent years - all of those solutions were similar. - they scratched a bit on the top of the matter - but left deeper problems elsewhere.
if there was a thread saying "restrict bombers to factions only" and give them the very same options. - i would expect to see the same results ( yes, people say a battleship can ruin a players day more than a bomber ... but we agree that its not really the ship, but its the player controlling the ship ) - still - such a thread would be answered greatly different to battleships being the focus of attention.
people say "freelancer is a fighter pvp game" - but is it really? - who said that? - vanilla freelancer was for sure... but is disco the same?
all that reminds me on the discussions about the tradesystem in 4.84
many people wanted to make large ships more expensive and nerf traderoutes that turned out to be too popular. - they wanted limited credits, force people into NPC factions and set tighter RP guidelines on factions ( npc faction IDs )
the result was a thread of well over 200 posts complaining about the new tradesystem - and it was mostly those that asked for more expensive ships and lesser profit that complained. - it was NOT the players that were considered "powertraders" in 4.84 that complained about the new system.
thats how things backfire when you don t think of all the consequences but dish out a half baked idea.
- some ideas there:
- what if a faction does not WANT to restrict caps? - force them to? - if not by rules... paint them as "bad" factions, cause they allow "lol-caps"?
- what if a faction totally ( and i mean utterly ) messes up. - what punishment have they gotto face? - what effect will it have on the wellfare of the community?
- what if a faction approves players and those players totally mess up ( within the rules, but still totally off ) - is that a testament of the failure of a factions judgement?
[ i know - many people really hate these "what if" questions - but if you don t think of them before you introduce things - you ll be unprepared if they occur ]
there are many questions that are not answered and "may" only be answered when it is attempted. - but if it turns out that the concept does NOT work - who dares to take the changes back to what it used to be?
Battleships- a solution - Galacius - 09-03-2009
Chesire said pretty much everything I have been feeling on this topic.
Also why the focus on battleships besides some personal vendetta against them? Its the geb and labc that are spammed. The issue is if these ships where made more difficult to gather all the unsavory types would congregate at another ship type, its unavoidable really.
Battleships- a solution - Tovig - 09-03-2009
Quote:Make battleships Factional, but also allow well RP'd and well known players to purchase and keep their battleships as independants
Best solution, I think.
Battleships- a solution - Apocalypse_Now - 09-03-2009
I voted for second option.