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+------ Thread: The Mollys - Official Faction Request (/showthread.php?tid=62697)
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Matthews - 07-21-2011
' Wrote:Ouch so much crying for 3 ships (Odins), the 4th is not even made, and 2 Sabres( only one made yesterday as far as know) .First: I am not crying
Why you dont cry about my Dacite too? :rolleyes:
We have like 20 Members, together with MMC and with the 2 new guys that wanted to join around 30. Any you are crying because we have 3 odins? About the Sabres see the tech chart- we are green cell to them, if we were after PvP whoring we wont use other VHF then Sabre, then go to see the LH diplomatic channel we wanted to buy our sabres for 10 000 in gold ore, because you know we are after some Molly RP.....
In reality it is a problem for a faction without normal LF(bigger then normal VHF) and VHF(Bigger then normal Bombers) and bomber(bigger then Bottle-nose) to win most of the group fights without a lot of skill and some additional technology that is equal to the rest of the sirian technology because the molly/rogue line is underpowered as well as the junker line.
Actually codename sabre is so much more effective with 650 speed guns then the slow energy consuming molly faction guns...
It must be quite clear to everybody at that point or at least to the people who have flown Molly ships. Our normal choice will be HF or GB, if we need to use the molly line only. Show me some other faction with such restrictions both GBs and HFs have bad chances in group fights against VHFs.
And we [M] does not want to loose every fight because of your personal pleasure..
So whatever a several usual pages to feed the trolls.
Second: my point is not that ya have other ships than the actually molly ones (even though i think it meh), my point is that ya exclude everyone in the community except [M] and RHA.
' Wrote:Why should anyone else know of a [M]/[RHA] agreement? Indies don't matter, BAF doesn't matter, you don't matter. If you aren't in the two parties, you don't matter.Ok, this is now the type of a guy i absolutely hate in disco. I tried to friendly explain ya why i don't like to see everyone else excluded and ya start to be rude again....
I could do that too now, but i will hold myself with the rudest things that just go through my had.
ALL OTHERS MATTER TOO. This is a game where it isn't your decision who to let things know (THE PLAYER, NOT CHAR) and who not.
But if ya can't find a mood where ya actually can talk about something without insulting someone i'm done here. I have no intention of speaking with someone who only can do that.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Govedo13 - 07-21-2011
' Wrote:my point is that ya exclude everyone in the community except [M] and RHA.Deal between RHA and M exclude the rest who are not part of this deal, who are not involved into it in anyway,indeed it is sad.
Logic is hard to find around this place nowadays.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Avalanche - 07-21-2011
The agreement was a secret agreement, sure you know of it but even now you don't know what we discussed. I'm going to keep it that way, the RHA will too.
Independents can do whatever the hell they please, we're Mollys, we aren't a formal government. If you want the pleasures of knowing whats going on and being able to change and adapt your own ideas into the future of the Mollys.. join the [M], if you won't join us then stop being a wuss over matters that don't concern you.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Ingenious - 07-21-2011
' Wrote:The agreement was a secret agreement, sure you know of it but even now you don't know what we discussed. I'm going to keep it that way, the RHA will too.
Independents can do whatever the hell they please, we're Mollys, we aren't a formal government. If you want the pleasures of knowing whats going on and being able to change and adapt your own ideas into the future of the Mollys.. join, if you won't join us then stop being a wuss over matters that don't concern you.
If you want to be official, you need to be able to adequately represent the interests of independents. If you don't want to do that -- stay unofficial.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Dab - 07-21-2011
Quote:Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself.
' Wrote:Are you blaming us for trying to uphold the highest RP quality? I thought that what factions were supposed to be.I fail to see how no roleplay, is upholding the highest quality of roleplay. Even bad roleplay is better than no roleplay.
' Wrote:Why should anyone else know of a [M]/[RHA] agreement? Indies don't matter, BAF doesn't matter, you don't matter. If you aren't in the two parties, you don't matter.It's pretty damned obvious that there is an agreement when you show up in Leed's orbit with 3 Hessian Odins.
Your indies do matter too, especially since you aren't even an official faction yet. You really have no more rights or power than any Molly indy.
' Wrote:One way or the other, your chars aren't supposed to know of this in any case.Pretty much everyone in Bretonia knows it now. Because the Mollys started flying Odins in Leeds with no supporting roleplay. This claim that it is a secret deal is ludicrous. It was a "We need better pew pew ships, lets go get them", with no thought of doing it in-roleplay.
I'd also like to add that, fighting 2 BAF with 2 Molly ships while 4 BAF watch isn't a gank. It's when the other 4 BAF join in that it turns into a gank, and that happens when the 2 targets start trying to run away, cause if they do get away, they can dock, restock, and return. Furthermore, Mollys gank BAF just as often, so this whole excuse is crap.
The core issue here is; You are supposed to be the epitome of roleplay and of a Molly. To become an official faction, you are supposed to show a high level of quality roleplay, that backs up a high quality of roleplay actions in-game. What you did was a very good example of what official factions should not do, it's no surprise you're getting negative feedback for it.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Govedo13 - 07-21-2011
' Wrote:If you want to be official, you need to be able to adequately represent the interests of independents. If you don't want to do that -- stay unofficial.This is going even more funny. How the both things are related after all? You started with Odins and Sabres- one is documented in the proper way the other is green cell. Then you gone at the next point metagamimg and power-gaming. It was explained to you with links and admin statements that this here is not the case.
Now how even official faction and witch one represent the interest of the independents?
Go to read the faction rights and you will see that the official faction does not have any tool to control the independent if they follow cannon RP. Whitch are the interests of the independents anyway?
Independent one Chopper- O'Reilly family wants to kill all IMG ships everywhere since they are molly enemy
Independent two Bellic- Old MMC guy cries why we shoot IMG since they are our ally.
Witch independent interest exactly should I represent?
I do understand that you does not like us and does not want us to be official but it is not up to you anyway. Why you put so much effort in trolling our faction?
Edit:
Dab Role play must not happen only in the forum, there are any different kinds of Role-Play in-game meetings for example (RHA Deal) or even skype.
I personally hate when people use the comm channel to meta game, that's why the important hidden deals should stay hidden this is the only way to make them hidden...
Since there are no rules present that I am obliged to RP in forum with RHA to get ships why should I do it? According to the rules the ships must be put in the Technology use topic- they are there? I still fail to see where is the problem.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Avalanche - 07-21-2011
Alright, I'll reword myself...
Quote:Why should anyone else know of what was involved in the [M]/[RHA] agreement? Indies don't matter, BAF doesn't matter, you don't matter. If you aren't in the two parties, you don't matter.
The Odins, was a result of our updated friendship with the RHA. The indies never speak up. Funny how when the O'reilys did something and got noticed, I was behind them, supporting them, making minor short time agreements with them. I can't mind read. They need to talk to me or just act on their own and get noticed.
I've also learned its impossible to please everyone so I just go with the numbers, I aim to please the majority, not the minority.
Quote:Pretty much everyone in Bretonia knows it now. Because the Mollys started flying Odins in Leeds with no supporting roleplay.
We aren't trying to hide the ships... and just because the BAF didn't get a invitation to the RP, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And how is claiming its a secret deal ludicrous? Its a deal between the [M] and the [RHA], its also under the table making it secret. So in conclusion, its a Secret Deal.
yesterday, 5 BAF vs 3 Mollys, not bad not bad, could be worse.. then a Nameless GS joins from which a Captain or Commander from your team gave permission. 6vs3 and the 6 have a GS...
Yesterday as well, one of our boys was making a retreat to Arranmore, ONE, And 5 BAF were on his tail, trying to blast him.
That all happened just yesterday. -.-
I still fail to see what we did wrong. You're all crying because you're on the wrong end of the stick in this situation.
Edit: The Deal between the RHA and [M]/=MMC= also happened in-game, we met and talked. You know how hard it is to finalize a important agreement in-game is so we used skype to mop it up nicely. Then =MMC= then joined the [M] and it became the [RHA]/[M] agreement.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Ingenious - 07-21-2011
' Wrote:I still fail to see what we did wrong. You're all crying because you're on the wrong end of the stick in this situation.
Tell ya what, I'll join [M] and wreck some templars in a Kingfisher. It'll be my treat to you.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Avalanche - 07-21-2011
' Wrote:Tell ya what, I'll join [M] and wreck some templars in a Kingfisher. It'll be my treat to you.
Nah sorry.
The Mollys - Official Faction Request - Govedo13 - 07-21-2011
' Wrote:Tell ya what, I'll join [M] and wreck some templars in a Kingfisher. It'll be my treat to you.Well you wont since we does not recruit people with behavior like yours.... and we already have Snac3 among us :lol:
Anyway from the other hand I want to thank you to all trolls and other mythological creatures for bumping our faction request and showing it to the attention of the community. We might get some new decent members that way,or you are not finished yet after the sabres/odins/skype/metagaming/powergaming/indies/official/unofficial/rolleplay/nonroleplay/rules etc?