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Titan vs - chopper - 02-28-2008
Well, yes, but that depends who's shooting/dodging.
For example, I managed to survive for 50 minutes yesterday in my Taiidan bomber, 4 people were on my back all the time.
And until you came, I was doing just fine dodging them. Of course, they did hit me sometimes.
I was on around 50 bots when I hit Lohingren with Supernova, and then I picked his.
That was the hardest part because I was alone with Cossak against 5 or 6 ships, so yes, they pretty much owned me in those 10 minutes, until backup arrived.
Killed 2 more afterward but didn't have room for more bots:)
Next 20 minutes I managed to dodge without being hit, as I stated, until you came.
Taiidan is small, but it's very bulky when dodging. It needs 1 sec to react on your command, like it has a GB mass.
Anyway, the point is, everything is possible. But we'r talking about average pilots here.
Titan vs - pchwang - 02-28-2008
What I meant, chopper, was to increase the damage done by the Salamanca to around the same as the Trefoil.
The Salamanca would use more energy, keep its fire rate, its toughness, and its speed.
I have no idea what you are suggesting about nerfing salamancas...
I'm saying that you should increase the salamancas damge to beyond or around the same as the Kraken/Trefoil.
The Kraken, would always use more energy for the same amount of damage as the Sal because Neutron weapons are more energy efficient.
EDIT: To make it clearer, from the PoV of the Sal...
Salamanca vs Kraken
- Similar Damage
- Less Energy
- Slower
Salamanca vs Trefoil
- Similar or Greater Damage
- More Energy
- Same speed
And frankly, this is not an attempt to bonus the Kraken. I do have an Outcast, but it really is not my favorite weapon at all.
Titan vs - chopper - 02-28-2008
Quote:Salamanca vs Kraken
- Similar Damage
- Less Energy
- Slower
That's better.:)
Now we do agree.
So, for example, it would be cool if it looked like this :
Salamanca
Damage - 560-570
Energy - 115-120
Speed - 600
Krakens, as they are :
Damage - 556
Energy - 126
Speed - 700
It sounds pretty cool to me, aye?
Or even improving Salamanca's damage even more, but at the cost of less energy efficiency, for example :
Damage - 650
Energy - 150-160
Speed - 600
That would make things interesting, and these guns would be used instead of Nomads, maybe even instead of Codes.
They would be less energy efficient then both Nomads and Codes, but they would do better damage per second. And that's pretty good exchange.
Titan vs - McNeo - 02-28-2008
Those are some very large figures you got there, never expected this to become a discussion on the Sally, but i'll throw in a little input as I always seem to do nowadays.
Whatever the damage rating is increased to, it should keep its efficiency rating at 5.00 (that is, 5 damage per energy consumed).
<strike>I would like to see the hardcore outcast players views on this though, as I know making the Sally as good as the Kracken in terms of damage would certainly upset the current balance. Of course, Sallys are less accurate than Krackens, but still, it will have an effect.</strike>
And then the other guns, neutron guns especially (Trefoil, Unioner gun, Disinfector etc) will have to be looked at, as well as the other guns of ALL the other factions on the server, but to a lesser extent.
To this end, a sheet of lvl 9 current gunstats needs to be compiled, with a proposal for the gunbalance for the next mod, so Igiss can simply copy over the agreed values rather than trying to guess...
What do you think?
<strike>EDIT: 650 damage?? Thats like, Wyrm II damage. Now, I'm aware that the concept of a Neutron cannon is one that encompasses supercompression and propulsion towards a target, but that damage is equivalent to the 3.03 wyrm. Of course I would be in favour as a Corsair, but looking at the issue from a more neutral standpoint, that is ... a bit high.</strike>
EDIT TWO: Y'all can just do <strike>this</strike> to what I basically typed above, except the current and future level 9 gunstats. See my next post.
Titan vs - chopper - 02-28-2008
Quote:I would like to see the hardcore outcast players views on this though, as I know making the Sally as good as the Kracken in terms of damage would certainly upset the current balance.
Erm... You mean, "balance", right?
Because, I fail to see any Corsair advantages in fighter combat.
Quote:And then the other guns, neutron guns especially (Trefoil, Unioner gun, Disinfector etc) will have to be looked at, as well as the other guns of ALL the other factions on the server, but to a lesser extent.
Compared to Kraken, all guns need to be looked at. So, why not Salamancas as well, but in another way?
There is no gun, house or unlawful that can be compared to Kraken.
Only codes and Blasters, which is a bit dumb.
Quote:EDIT: 650 damage?? Thats like, Wyrm II damage. Now, I'm aware that the concept of a Neutron cannon is one that encompasses supercompression and propulsion towards a target, but that damage is equivalent to the 3.03 wyrm. Of course I would be in favour as a Corsair, but looking at the issue from a more neutral standpoint, that is ... a bit high.
It is high, but still it does less damage then Wyrm. Why? Wyrm hits more often.
Anyway, I have no point to fight for Corsair cause here, I'm not really a hard coded Corsair member.
If you think Salamanca's are ok as they are, I will believe you.
But nothing can change the fact that Sabres mount Krakens while Titans mount Blasters/Codes.
And that is just wrong.
Titan vs - McNeo - 02-28-2008
Yes...
Now you put it that way, I agree.
I retract, perhaps all of my statements that you refer to...
and yes, the balance now isn't really one.
Sorry :(
Titan vs - pchwang - 02-28-2008
Hehe,
I am a hardcore Outcast.
I disagree with the 650 Damage output for the Salamanca though. Since the Corsairs also have a shield buster that does 800 dmg per shot, this would be a little imbalanced. Note to McNeo: Please don't pull out the Inferno argument again...remember that not all people can use them, mate.
550-570, with less energy and speed than the Kraken is more like it. Remember that giving the Sal 650 dps would give it insane damage potential(maximum possible damage). If it were like this, then there would also be no point to codies.
That's my opinion, at least.
Titan vs - chopper - 02-28-2008
Actually, there are coddies that do more damage then those Salamancas could.
I am sure you know which ones.
Anyway, it was just a suggestion.
Titan vs - pchwang - 02-29-2008
Yes.
But it's close enough. So close that it's much easier to just get a corsair rep to buy them than to find those codies.
Titan vs - Boss - 02-29-2008
I voted Saber, Titan, Talon. Now my vote on the Second may be a bit off, as I have never flown a BD.
@ Jinx, if not already answered, his name is Jar-Jar Binks.