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Fighters should be fun... - El Nino - 12-28-2007
Heh, we just had a major fight in omicron gamma, Corsairs vs Nomads, we beat the nomads ofcrose, but it was very obvious that capital ships don't work in massive battles... They just dont. Now i think that masive battles would be something capital ships should be good at... but it turned out caps bearly landed a hit on dem nomads... and to think that i was miserable on my journey to the fight that i didn't take the cruiser....:)
So if fighters should be fun? then what are the caps for?
Fighters should be fun... - looter - 12-28-2007
The caps are to attract naive pilots who trade their bottoms off for them, fly huge transports with lots of loot or 'shared income' for the pirates... :cool:
Fighters should be fun... - Epholl - 12-28-2007
Piloting a capship means "damn asteroids" and "point and click fight" in most cases...
Fighters should be fun... - StarButt - 12-29-2007
It's simple: increase ALL weapon damage x2.0 and reduce ALL regen /2. Balance stays the same and u get faster fights.
As for capships: they are fun if u RP more and play as a team, supported by ur fighters. If u get one to play "one man army", you'd get bitterly disapointed (and it's as it should be)
Small problem for capships is their fighter cover being somewhat inefficient, specialy in regards to bombers. Exectly why fighters need to be upgraded and not nerfed.
Fighters should be fun... - bluntpencil2001 - 12-29-2007
' Wrote:It's simple: increase ALL weapon damage x2.0 and reduce ALL regen /2. Balance stays the same and u get faster fights.
As for capships: they are fun if u RP more and play as a team, supported by ur fighters. If u get one to play "one man army", you'd get bitterly disapointed (and it's as it should be)
Small problem for capships is their fighter cover being somewhat inefficient, specialy in regards to bombers. Exectly why fighters need to be upgraded and not nerfed.
Balance wouldn't stay the same. Fighters would be better against cap ships. Light fighters would be better against VHFs. It would benefit lighter ships in general.
Fighters should be fun... - El Nino - 12-29-2007
' Wrote:As for capships: they are fun if u RP more and play as a team, supported by ur fighters. If u get one to play "one man army", you'd get bitterly disapointed (and it's as it should be)
Small problem for capships is their fighter cover being somewhat inefficient, specialy in regards to bombers. Exectly why fighters need to be upgraded and not nerfed.
You see this just doesn't work, even though it should... we had like 8 to 10 fighters supporting a ship (hell that's sometimes near half the population of a server), it really bothers me that combat doesn't work the way it supposed to work for any legitimate cap ship use...
Perhaps boosting regens on battleships, so they get as many regenerations as fighters... it's okay that BS can't defend against fighters but it's not okay that fighters can't defend BS's from other fighters... something needs to be done in this area....
Fighters should be fun... - chopper - 12-29-2007
Fighters are pretty difficult to kill a Battleship.
But bombers are not.
You should maybe concentrate your fire on the bombers, for a start, aye?
If you have 10 fighters, you will easily put aside any bomber(s), only if you'r organized.
And aim averagely.
Fighters should be fun... - bluntpencil2001 - 12-29-2007
Jure is right. Flying as a capital-ship's escort is near-impossible. However, rebalancing this would make things even more broken, I think.
Fighters should be fun... - StarButt - 12-29-2007
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Theres where missiles should come in. Delivering great instant damage but limited total (cos of limited ammo, making em good vs fighters but not vs capships). Now, since missiles are broken here and too complicated to fix, how about introducing autocannons, high damage, high refire but limited ammo? Check how it was done in MechWarrior, as a good reference (energy guns would still be primary, cos balistic would eventually ran out of ammo).
Other, maybe even easier solution would be what Chopper suggested: increse projectile speeds for fighter weapons. Right now, problem with fighters not working against other fighters and bombers is due to low weapon damage, but also due to low chance to hit on a small manuverable target. Increasing fighters chance to hit other fighters, would not change balance in regards to capships. I believe some simple solution could be found to fix this matter.
Fighters should be fun... - Badger - 12-29-2007
' Wrote:@Blunt: i believe it was moa who said it 1st an jure confirmed it.
Theres where missiles should come in. Delivering great instant damage but limited total (cos of limited ammo, making em good vs fighters but not vs capships). Now, since missiles are broken here and too complicated to fix, how about introducing autocannons, high damage, high refire but limited ammo? Check how it was done in MechWarrior, as a good reference (energy guns would still be primary, cos balistic would eventually ran out of ammo).
Oooh, I like this idea. New custom weapons for fighters that have comparatively massive projectile speeds and damage, but limited unguided ammo like a type of fighter sniper weapon. How about something like:
Rail Cannon (cl10)
Hull Damage: 5000
Shield Damage: 2500
Projectile Speed: 1000 m/s
Range: 1200
Refire Rate: 1.00
Energy Usage: 8000
Ammo Cost: 2000 per shot
And obviously lower versions suitable for Light Fighters.
I'd try pretty hard to connect those shots, knowing my fighter's energy stores wouldn't handle another for a couple of passes. Low refire stops high energy capacity ships (bombers) from abusing them too much, and they don't do so much damage per second or per energy that they could be abused against capships (though maybe the range could be shortened to be sure of this?).
What do people think? These numbers are completely off the top of my head so opinions are welcome. I think this is a preferable route to take as I'd much prefer a new weapon to unbalancing the characteristics of all the current weapons.
PS. Starbutt your sig pic is against forum regs, needs to be smaller mate.