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Corsair - Zoner - Linkus - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:This is the space shooting game with bases not having a health bars so we will not come anywhere in result and just may guess who will die first: Sairs from not having enough food or Zoners from not having enough water\oxy or maybe from being bombed.
But what we can do is to give an excuse to engage our factions for other people or not to give. All zoners do is giving an excuse for Sairs to shoot them, don't give an excuse and this will be called "walking on the edge". Don't hide behind the RP reasons - they are not existent at all and can't be forced in any way. There is you (Zoners) and there are surrounding factions (player bases of the factions you interact with including sairs, hessians, nomads, whatever). To walk on the edge you have to build the relations with people around in the way when no one have an excuse to blow your arse. Of cause you meant to be flexible for it.
But if you're just give out an excuse for another faction to shell your bases and ships and then run to forum to express your feelings about that not meeting with your understandings of RP - It's all your fault.
I did not really understand a thing after the first paragraph sorry.
If you mean that only player actions matter then I'd have to disagree with you.
If only player actions matter, all the stations in Sirius should've suffered famine by now.
To walk on an edge, you balance different sides.
If the Zoners completely gave into the Corsairs, they would not be walking on an edge anymore as they would not be balancing anything.
If the Zoners completely gave into the Bounty Hunters, they would not be walking on an edge anymore as they would not be balancing anything.
Zoners give in completely to one side = choosing that side really.
If you choose a side, you aren't on the edge.
Apologies if I read your post wrong though, honestly aren't sure what you meant.
Corsair - Zoner - dodike - 01-31-2012
Why is this happening again?
What other factions benefit from Freeports in question being in Zoner hands?
Corsair - Zoner - Curios - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:I did not really understand a thing after the first paragraph sorry.
If you mean that only player actions matter then I'd have to disagree with you.
If only player actions matter, all the stations in Sirius should've suffered famine by now.
To walk on an edge, you balance different sides.
If the Zoners completely gave into the Corsairs, they would not be walking on an edge anymore as they would not be balancing anything.
If the Zoners completely gave into the Bounty Hunters, they would not be walking on an edge anymore as they would not be balancing anything.
Zoners give in completely to one side = choosing that side really.
If you choose a side, you aren't on the edge.
Apologies if I read your post wrong though, honestly aren't sure what you meant.
I simply meant that you're getting what you deserves. If Zoners are meant for neutrality and you are getting attacked mean you're doing something wrong. If you're still at position to think that there is something wrong with someone else then i advise to go and try out another faction and leave Zoners to those who can manage to keep them neutral.
That's alle
Corsair - Zoner - Linkus - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:I simply meant that you're getting what you deserves. If Zoners are meant for neutrality and you are getting attacked mean you're doing something wrong. If you're still at position to think that there is something wrong with someone else then i advise to go and try out another faction and leave Zoners to those who can manage to keep them neutral.
That's alle
I don't lead any zoner factions, nor are even an active member of any of them.
Speaking as a player and developer is all.
Zoners are doing something wrong currently, they are not using the balance of power very effectively.
At that's what I think.
Corsair - Zoner - Curios - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:I don't lead any zoner factions, nor are even an active member of any of them.
Speaking as a player and developer is all.
Zoners are doing something wrong currently, they are not using the balance of power very effectively.
At that's what I think.
I'm speaking not of you but in general. And I'm not a Corsair or Zoner player.
Also "balance of power" is bullsheet since it's not about balancing anything but about being nice with people around so they won't knock at your door if something goes wrong.
Corsair - Zoner - Soul Reaper - 01-31-2012
Yay, this discussion again.
Why is it that everytime, yes, that's right.
Every.
Single.
Time.
The same argument with the same reasons, questions, answers and comebacks. Every single time.
Ok sure, you can call it an excuse for +1ing, that's fair. But if not for that, stop trying, for eff's sake. It's gonna happen again and again, sairs and zoners will start shooting again, money will be made and lost, fun will be obtained as well as rage.
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Yeah, shut up about it already. Plus, I've made a post like this before, every single time, mainly for +1s because I know people will ignore anyway.
Also linq, you're kinda wrong. Zoners can't join a side. They're Zoners. They don't have a government or a ruling body, they're Freelancers who live in the edge/border worlds away from the house political bulls***. Of course, this is where player factions come into play (OSI, TAZ, Omicroners, etc.), as well as freeports. Because unlike your ordinary zoner, freeports have an administration, a guy who owns the station pretty much. And corporations or groups that consist of people working for each other, yet all zoners.
So yes, corsairs exploding any transports heading to or from Freeport 5, is an act of aggression to that freeport, not to all Zoners, you simply can't do it to all Zoners.
Well, technically you can, but that's due to game mechanics.
Now that that's cleared..where was I..oh yeah, stop the bs everyone.
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Corsair - Zoner - Linkus - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:I'm speaking not of you but in general. And I'm not a Corsair or Zoner player.
Also "balance of power" is bullsheet since it's not about balancing anything but about being nice with people around so they won't knock at your door if something goes wrong.
It is about being nice but to who?
If the Zoners are nice to the Corsairs, Outcasts complain.
If the Zoners are nice to the Bounty Hunters, Corsairs complain.
All the groups sit poking the Zoners to stop helping the others.
There's a reason that they poke.
The Zoners being especially nice to one faction gives it an advantage over the others and usually damages the others too.
If the Zoners chucked all the BH off their stations, Corsairs and Outcasts would jump for joy.
Bounty Hunters would be none too pleased however.
If the supplies the Zoners bring were the only things holding the Corsairs back, the Corsairs would've pounced on them already.
It is the possibility that the Zoners could help their enemies, giving their enemies an advantage over them.
The Rheinlanders could be invited to Freeport 2 if Liberty annoyed the Freeport enough.
Of course the Freeport would lose its independence but drastic measures could be required.
It would effectively give Rheinland a good staging post while also removing a useful aid for Liberty.
Those are the threats that were enshrined in the zoner infocards, whether they be base rumours or ship infocards.
Corsair - Zoner - Madvillain - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:Yay, this discussion again.the reason all zoners are targeted is because the only way for certain people to lose permission to dock on a freeport is a fr2 or a fr5
So yes, corsairs exploding any transports heading to or from Freeport 5, is an act of aggression to that freeport, not to all Zoners, you simply can't do it to all Zoners.
Well, technically you can, but that's due to game mechanics.
Now that that's cleared..where was I..oh yeah, stop the bs everyone.
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this can only be done if all official zoner factions agree on this.
thus all zoners are being put under pressure equally.
Just my 2 cents....
Corsair - Zoner - Soul Reaper - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:the reason all zoners are targeted is because the only way for certain people to lose permission to dock on a freeport is a fr2 or a fr5
this can only be done if all official zoner factions agree on this.
thus all zoners are being put under pressure equally.
Just my 2 cents....
Well, you can blame the zoner factions then. Although I wouldn't go against Freeports being considered ''official factions'' and having their own say on what goes down on their FP.
And no, there are different corsair groups as well. Some are targeting all zoners, some are only targeting indis, some are targeting only factions.
I'll give an example from the corsair faction I'm in, the Sails. We're not targeting OSI and TAZ for example, due to their respectful groups supplying us and generally being good guys toward us.
Of course, if such a matter arises as to two different corsair factions and for example, a TAZ/OSI caught in the middle.
The outcome of what will happen depends on the players, will the Sails defend the TAZ against the other corsair group ? Will they not care? Will the other corsair group have the balls to cross the Sails ? Wait n' see.
Corsair - Zoner - DAnvilFan - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:You can just go to hell.
Yes. What better way to prove that you've not disgraced the memory of somebody who promoted kindness and love than to say the above.
' Wrote:Please point out where I said I would like to make your playing time horrible.
I didn't take your quote out of context, but perhaps I misunderstood it. If you meant to give people an example of how not to behave in-game, then I take it back. Perhaps you meant to say, "Sure. You could 'win' by trolling players and frusterating them into submission, but that's not the thing to do." However, it sure didn't read that way and sounded like you were providing a solution to a problem.
People like to refer to me as a Zoner because it's the only faction I spoke for on the forums. What most people don't know is that I played Order and Nomad characters for a year. What I learned is that, for the most part, when the two sides met in space they weren't trying to win by "trolling" or "lowering morale." Their goal wasn't even to win (except of course during dog fights) it was to play a role.
So when "where did it run?" says that "It's not a game if there is no winners and no losers," I'd like to know how this works in situations where players are playing both sides? Because I did play both sides - had a blast doing it - and never concerned myself with who was winning or losing.
' Wrote:Bingo! Now if the majority of the Zoner playerbase would realize this things would be much better down there for them. That has been OSI's game all along and we're doing just fine.
The only thing that the Zoner playerbase needs to realize is the same thing any other playerbase needs to realize: which is that nobody made the wrong choice. The Zoners in Omicron Theta reacting differently from the way OSI is reacting is also not wrong. The players in Omicron Theta are doing "just fine" as well.
Surely you must be having a terrible time playing the game if nobody considers the Zoners neutral anymore! Surely you must be winning if you're on good terms with an aggressor!
For Pete's sake, people roleplayed the destruction of Freeport biodomes, then the exile of ZTC, followed by a month long forum event where folks struggled to survive on a crippling Freeport 9. It was the most fun I had on the server that year. And you know, players didn't do it because they were trolled into submission. They did it because they were having a good time. You could call that a "win" and I wouldn't argue.