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RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Nikolaumf - 06-01-2013
hey why the heck do you cheat admins how can it be 1000000000000000000 votes for sanction luke...There are 2 ways
You have allien friends or you just cheat.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Cannon - 06-01-2013
I've been meaning to post a summary of the facts as I understand them.
1. There was a base made by some players that had permission to be built from another bunch of players representing the Bretonian government. There was a role play contract of some sort associated with this base.
2. The base was made hostile to some Bretonian ships and killed some.
3. The Bretonian government players blew up the base by using the master password to clear out all supplies. The players justified this action because they believe that it is not against any rule to do this and they felt that the base was causing trouble in role play.
What have I missed?
@Nikolaumf - I think you missed something in my comments above. Please read my previous post.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Thyrzul - 06-01-2013
(06-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: You War Cabinet/Bretonian guys in here can justify what you want... the fact is:
The destruction of 3 transports (you can prove what? one? You have a "olololol" on Skype? Is there any rp?) does not justify trashing a Core 4 base that had been there for a long time and seems not to have caused considerable problems for a large part of that time. Especially if there actually is a line to communicate with each other (actually an active cooperation) and after suggestions for change had been taken up and implemented by the owner.
The situation pretty much justified a preventive action to get rid of the risk of further problems around the base. Reasons has been stated for why has been done this way what has been done. It is up to you whether you are satisfied with those reasons or not.
(06-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Let's analys damage for both sides and look for appropriateness, because in my opinion a reaction to an action should always be appropriate:
> 3 transports blow up every 3 minutes in Disco. Their maximum value is less than 100 mils and 30 minutes in time and no one gets emotionally involved about a transport blowing up anyway, as it just happens everyday, all day.
> The WC decided on a whim and from their feeling of being entitled to it to destroy something that took weeks if not months to create, is worth billions and - most importantly - carries the heartblood of the owner... just because they could. Let's also mention 2,561 views in a very short time, 109 often emotional replies by many players, so in short: big drama for big parts of the cmmunity.
Conclusion:
The crime does not fit the punishment.
You do not execute a small criminal by dropping an atomic bomb on the town he lives in.
=> Appropriateness is definitely not given in this case.
Analyzing one aspect of the whole situation and drawing a conclusion upon that is similar to judging somebody based on something which got taken out of context: Grants the audience a false picture of the situation. I highly disagree with such practices.
(06-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Even if anybody believes the weak attempt to mark the base as a "troll base that had to be destroyed for the greater good", the way of doing it was not apropriate. We all know where troll bases were and how they created the overall damage done here in less than an hour, for weeks or even months.
Weak attempt? Do you know what I based my claims on? Not even a warning beforehand, not even a sorry afterwards has been received from him. In none of the cases. And then suddenly the base is gone, he started to pose as an innocent, weighting out how much effort he put into that base and how quickly it gone without warning. Of course many forgot what he did with that base afterwards...
Yes, I call that trolling... wait, no, manipulation could fit better, in my opinion...
While the way of actions was not appropriate, it nullified the risk of getting things out of hand.
Yes, I call that trolling... wait, no, manipulation could fit better, in my opinion...
While the way of actions was not appropriate, it nullified the risk of getting things out of hand.
(06-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: The point "He broke the agreement, the base can legally be destroyed" and the attempt to find an irp explanation for an oorp attack, doesn't change that this was an extremely bad call, the oorp execution was as dirty and cowardly a backstab as can be and those players involved should be ashamed and not stand here, saying "np np" and defending their decision like many do.
Call it ooRP as much as you wish, it has been stated before why the action was inRP, so if after all you still think otherwise, I can't say much on this...
(06-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Empathy and perspective change (= how would I feel if this happened to me?) is what should play a role in decisions like that. But I assume it was just once again: Power. And power has always brought out the worst in people. Actually, Summer wrote that.
Curious what I'd have done? Carry on and next time mind my actions and words way better than before.
(06-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: The solution has already been voiced in here.
It was dirty action on many levels.
=> Step 1: restore it.
Side comment: Bases have been restored for less reason than this.
Result: It would help the owner but also those players who were part in the killing and who feel bad about it.
Something like that should not happen again:
=> Step 2: disarm it. Completely.
Most importantly:
=> Step 3: Use the mess to draw a set of clear rules.
I can totally agree with this.
@Cannon:
2. The base was not made hostile to Bretonian ships. The base had it's defensemode changed from time to time resulting in the destruction of a Bowex vessel once (as mentioned earlier) and the destruction of a Council vessel twice by the weapon platforms of the base.
@Cannon:
2. The base was not made hostile to Bretonian ships. The base had it's defensemode changed from time to time resulting in the destruction of a Bowex vessel once (as mentioned earlier) and the destruction of a Council vessel twice by the weapon platforms of the base.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - jonnaffen747 - 06-01-2013
Quote:2. The base was made hostile to some Bretonian ships and killed some.
Same as above and no It was just 1 time and I had tested the platforms at my bomber as previously said. And yes this was maybe a failure but the death of 2 transports cant justify that act.
Quote:Something like that should not happen again:
=> Step 2: disarm it. Completely.
Totaly Against it. It would be dead meat asap. 3 Pirate Groups had tried to kill it they just gaved up because it had platforms i would prefer to take them 1 k away from gate to the Primary Installation and if it should be at any time again hostile to any lawful vessel or too near to gate it should be killed by admins imediatly.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - bloogaL - 06-01-2013
(06-01-2013, 12:04 PM)jonnaffen747 Wrote: Same as above and no It was just 1 time and I had tested the platforms at my bomber as previously said. And yes this was maybe a failure but the death of 2 transports cant justify that act.
But officers! I only murdered two people! You can't send me to jail for that!
Doesn't sound right, does it? The destruction of the base was perfectly justifiable iRP.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Thyrzul - 06-01-2013
Why would pirate groups care about your station if it poses no threat to them?
And how could mere pirates destroy a well-fed core 4 base if even house navies with capital ships struggle to do that(same reason behind the preemptive strike)?
And how could mere pirates destroy a well-fed core 4 base if even house navies with capital ships struggle to do that(same reason behind the preemptive strike)?
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - jonnaffen747 - 06-01-2013
Why would pirate groups care about your station if it poses no threat to them?
And how could mere pirates destroy a well-fed core 4 base if even house navies with capital ships struggle to do that(same reason behind the preemptive strike)?
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They will just wait for my transports to supplie base and shoot me. Then base shields go down in 30 hours and what i'll do then? BAF/BPA won't help me that much.
And alone one weapon platforms costed me 150 Mil+
Alone buying Quantum multiplexors and Optronics each are 4 k. Hauling them Needs time too. Till I got a platform in air again it would be sieged (And I'm even not talking about my financial statuses.). So if you goin to Revive base 2 without platforms and Pirates goin to attack it. I'm Destroyed then. All Money will go into 2nd Base , It'll go sieged till I have a platform again in the air, Then my 1st Base is low at supplies I can't produce much Money went into 2ndary Base-
If this happends I could directly give it up.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Thyrzul - 06-01-2013
Option one: Ask the station to be revived at a location more distant from the Gate/Lanes (if possible), and have the platforms around it.
Option two: Pay the pirate like any other transport in any other circumstance would do to survive a piracy.
So far these are what came to my mind right now.
Option two: Pay the pirate like any other transport in any other circumstance would do to survive a piracy.
So far these are what came to my mind right now.
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - jonnaffen747 - 06-01-2013
Option one Sounds ok
Option two they don't care about that it is as said before :
If RP helps them they do it, If don't they wont. Also pirates will just kill me without wanting Money, happend to me more often or they say just drop your cargo and leave.
It'll look like that , im goin to build platforms alone cuz no one wants to help me fine :
Im hauling goods for the platforms :
SV) waitin around base. Drop All your cargo or dai.
I drop.
SV) : Leave now.
Just as an example. This is how it already happends every day at my supplie runs
and thats how it will happend
RE: Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF - Jack_Henderson - 06-01-2013
Quote:But officers! I only murdered two people! You can't send me to jail for that!
Doesn't sound right, does it? The destruction of the base was perfectly justifiable iRP.
In which world you live in?
Police would get the gunner and put him on trial.
Not destroy a base.
You do not wipe out a village (home for 800 people on a core 4 base + factories) to get a killer.