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RE: Premium scrap pricing. - FynnMcScrap - 08-26-2014
(08-26-2014, 02:59 AM)Pinko Wrote: +1
If anything, ALG should be the ones getting Premium Scrap, while the Junkers get something like "Unstable Scrap" (AKA the kind of stuff you'd find in the Negra in Texas) since ALG would probably own way better salvaging equipment than your average wandering Junker, while showing that only the Junkers are brave (or stupid enough) to take the most dangerous assets and pieces of scrap that still are worth something under competent hands.
... so a Faction / ID capable of building a whole own shipline and known for creative and innovative ship design ( nobody said pretty )
is uncapable of building good equipment ?
Sry, I can not follow that logic.
RE: Premium scrap pricing. - Tin - 08-26-2014
(08-26-2014, 02:59 AM)Pinko Wrote:(08-25-2014, 11:09 PM)Karst Wrote:(08-25-2014, 05:49 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:(08-25-2014, 05:45 PM)Danny-boy Wrote:(08-25-2014, 05:41 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: I think imo premium scarp should only be MINED by junkers. We can SELL it to others and others can try to mine it but the bonus should only be for junkers as per RP.
DSE and ALG have their own RP ores to get.
ALG waste disposal shouldn't be clearing up waste?
they should not be coming out of their zoi to make money off of that junkers in RP do. They specialize in their own thing. You dont see a garbage bump company going to wreak cars in a scrap junkyard in real life.
It different specialities!! Its not hard to make your own junker either.
ALG have been involved in scrap collecting since vanilla times. The very reason for Helgoland's existence was to serve a basis for ALG's scrap mining operations in the now defunct Yanagi debris field.
Dortmund smelter specializes in scrap resmelting. Saying ALG shouldn't be mining scrap goes entirely against the lore of my faction ever since vanilla days.
We clean up waste, and that includes scrap.
Edit: To elaborate, NO, we don't have our own ore. Toxic Waste was never in any way comparable to regular ores, but it was entirely nerfed into the ground with 87. Scrap is all we had, and though it was pretty crap before, after this latest nerf it's entirely non-viable.
So I really don't understand what you mean by we "have our own RP ores".
+1
If anything, ALG should be the ones getting Premium Scrap, while the Junkers get something like "Unstable Scrap" (AKA the kind of stuff you'd find in the Negra in Texas) since ALG would probably own way better salvaging equipment than your average wandering Junker, while showing that only the Junkers are brave (or stupid enough) to take the most dangerous assets and pieces of scrap that still are worth something under competent hands.
Yes, we get it, they have good stuff that you don't have so you want it. From the sound of it, ALG has a history of waste disposal, but that's not the issue here. The issue, beyond why everyone doesn't have something like premium scrap used to be, is the pricing of premium scrap. And people complaining managed to reduce it below average for trade routes. So you can be happy that nobody gets to use the thing you wanted now.
People would play more not less if the game went faster, and it goes faster when people make more money. So the existing trade routes should be buffed bigtime to let everyone get what they want. Are people gonna listen, debate, or just ignore?
RE: Premium scrap pricing. - Sturm347 - 08-26-2014
Just putting my 2 cents worth here. I new here so forgive me for any false assumptions I may have. Now on to the discussion. I assume that the nerf came because a lot of people were complaining of the pscrap trading to alpha? If so then why nerf the other sellpoints? Selling pscrap is already hard itself to other sellpoints aside from alpha and gamma.
You have:
Yokohama shipyard - Junkers cant sell there since they're banned in kusari space
Singapore shipyard - technically its impossible there since its an IMG Guard base
Sabah Shipyard - its in colonial space and who is friendly with the colonials? IMG
Aland shipyard - its was already at 3k prenerf, I don't know how much is it right now.
What I mean is if the issue or the complaint is only against selling in alpha or omega, why just not nerf those 2 sell points?
RE: Premium scrap pricing. - Echo 7-7 - 08-26-2014
(08-25-2014, 04:58 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: +1 on wanting an explanation.
Premium Scrap prices, before this most recent change, were intended to be buffed at that price for no more than 2-3 weeks to stir up activity, and then lowered down a bit to something higher than the original price but lower than the buffed price. In short, a commodity buff event. Gold Ore prices should have now been buffed in certain locations.
Premscrap prices will probably not be buffed until the the ore mining overhaul is complete.
RE: Premium scrap pricing. - Pinko - 08-26-2014
(08-26-2014, 03:25 AM)FynnMcScrap Wrote:(08-26-2014, 02:59 AM)Pinko Wrote: +1
If anything, ALG should be the ones getting Premium Scrap, while the Junkers get something like "Unstable Scrap" (AKA the kind of stuff you'd find in the Negra in Texas) since ALG would probably own way better salvaging equipment than your average wandering Junker, while showing that only the Junkers are brave (or stupid enough) to take the most dangerous assets and pieces of scrap that still are worth something under competent hands.
... so a Faction / ID capable of building a whole own shipline and known for creative and innovative ship design ( nobody said pretty )
is uncapable of building good equipment ?
Sry, I can not follow that logic.
I never said the Junkers' equipment was bad, I said ALG's would be better.
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RE: Premium scrap pricing. - MÃmir - 08-26-2014
Also aren't we just adhering to contemporary ideologies when we assume that corporations are better at everything? Has that really ever been proven? Isn't it just an imaginary/tentative conclusion spurred by our own lack of imagination, by being products of contemporary society? I think more things in Disco should be open to divergent "truths", rather than (in Disco terms) 1,000 year old ideas. It has been proven that vikings were able to make better, more water repellent and warmer clothing using wool, than the best contemporary synthetic materials available today. There's a lot of examples like that, and it's worth to take into account when making these calls. No reason why Junkers shouldn't be better (or worse!) than ALG in terms of scrapping stuff.
RE: Premium scrap pricing. - VinitS - 08-26-2014
The word starting with F came in to my mind when a saw 6k @ Singapore.........
RE: Premium scrap pricing. - Hermes - 08-26-2014
its sad that the prices go down now .... a faction without big cap ships & cannot defend itself easily and almost the only advantage it have is the premium scrap metal good prices & good relation to outcasts ..... is just gonna die this way
why?
because the only good advantage they had , you just reduced.
regards,
Xenon
RE: Premium scrap pricing. - TLI-Inferno - 08-26-2014
(08-26-2014, 11:55 AM)Xenon Wrote: its sad that the prices go down now .... a faction without big cap ships & cannot defend itself easily and almost the only advantage it have is the premium scrap metal good prices & good relation to outcasts ..... is just gonna die this way
why?
because the only good advantage they had , you just reduced.
regards,
Xenon
Scrap prices used to be beyond hideous. Believe it or not, that was during our best days. I think we'll pull through this just fine.