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RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Echo 7-7 - 10-30-2013
When talking about modularity, I'm considering a concept similar to the idea presented here. It's not explicitly discussed in lore about the internals of a ship, but external equipment is quite clearly modular in this sense.
Aside; consider that the ship industry in Sirius might have certain parallels with the RL car industry.
I'm quite impressed with the model too. This is even better than the concept models you had bouncing around earlier.
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Croft - 10-30-2013
Those were my thoughts behind the modular construction Echo.
In regards to the Bretonian influence my initial infocards placed their design at Barrier Gate, however some of the textures Swallow used, to great effect I might add, are clearly from Bretonia so I changed the cards to reflect that.
One idea I had to explain why civilian ships had clear Bretonian origins despite lack of sell points for the Tranquility (X-Shuttle) was the condition of the blueprint sales required all ships to retain the styling so Gallic forces would be uncertain if the ship they are after is Bretonian or not. A false flag if you will, I dropped it from the draft thinking it would be either too specific or simply unnecessary.
I'll rework the Tranquility and remove the mention of weaponary though I must admit I'm not sure how else to explain the ships unusual shape.
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Syrus - 10-30-2013
Hm...maybe an older Bretonian design that found its way to the Freelancer/independent markets over time / due to the war requiring more warships to be build and thereby maxing out Bretonian shipyards capabilities?
I'd have given Gateway a sellpoint for it, but then again, adding another sellpoint might be a bit too much work (no idea, never looked into that). Just thought it'd make sense that they got the designs for it at some point, considering how they and IMG now also got the designs for the Shire for example. Though then again, Gateway doesn't have a shipyard (?!), and I don't want to even poke at the possibility for IMG building this ship as well (they also build the Shire, which is then sold by Gateway), no matter how much sense it would make - I know there are some people around who'd explode in a fierce rage if such were to be suggested.
It's quite difficult, there aren't many independent shipyards...
EDIT:
I don't want to delay the ship being put into the game or into an update to be precise or anything with petty infocard complaints: even if the card just said "arglbarglwargl" I'd be fine with it, if I could fly the ship in game! :O
Just hope I don't have to run into the balancement thread when the ship is done...hihi...
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Croft - 10-30-2013
Don't worry about it Syrus, pointing out things like this help to improve quality and its better to address them now while they can be easily changed.
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Croft - 10-31-2013
Third pass on the infocards, if no problems are found I'll be treating these as the final versions. Any and all feedback is desired.
Serenity
At the height of the Gallic Invasion Bretonia’s vital supply lines to Liberty came under fire by Gallic forces, the lumbering armoured transports quickly became fodder for the invader’s swift and agile fighters. To counteract the increasing number of damaged convoys a new type of blockade runner was required, one that was cheap and could be easily repaired.
Submitted fresh from the design table the Serenity class transport fulfilled the demands precisely, by utilising the prefabricated construction prototyped on the Tranquility, this rugged ship could be mass produced inexpensively using recycled materials and repaired just as easily. The modular construction allowed parts both large and small to be replaced rapidly meaning subsequent repairs could be done independently of the ships operations.
The Serenity was quickly pressed into production on the civilian market, becomingly widely accepted as one of the most versatile transports available today. Persisting rumours suggest the designers may have already sold off several blueprint copies before officially submitting the design, these claims have yet to be substantiated but reports allegedly show Serenity class transports in the hands of less than reputable captains.
Tranquility
Conceived in Bretonia during the onset of the Gallic Invasion, the Tranquility class freighter began life as a testbed for a new construction technique based upon prefabricated modules. The concept was to create a mass producible ship that would be inexpensive to manufacture and easily maintainable. However resource constraints meant that only scrap and recycled metal was readily available, this forced the designers to alter the ship’s design to accommodate for the lack of premium materials. The result was a strong fighter style hull which represents quite a departure from standard freighter designs.
The overall project was considered a rousing success despite the ship being deemed unsuitable for the purpose. Disappointed but spurred on, the creators of the Tranquility quietly sold off several copies of the blueprints and began drawing up plans for a much larger vessel.
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Druen78 - 10-31-2013
I approve; both the model and the infocards are premium quality work.
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Syrus - 10-31-2013
Not that I really like coming here again to write some critizing feedback...but...no-one else seemed to care, when I asked what they thought so I just decided to post my concerns directly.
[12:28:00] Syrus: [...] Am I the only one feeling like these ships, the transport and the freighter, should be "old ships" which now are more useful again* as the times demand lighter, harder to catch ships, rather than being a new development? It somehow doesn't make too much sense to me...
[12:29:20] Syrus: Also it makes them sound too much like they are exclusivly Bretonia...
* See it this way,...as the colonies grew safer over time...actually though, why'd they not have been safe? Bretonia had no wars by lore, and piratewise ... hm... there were the Buccaneers in Bretonia. But other pirates aren't really mentioned. Hm...maybe they were build when first exploration of Taus started to take place, making Bretonia need smaller transports. Those big ones like the Shire or Shetland for example wouldn't be good for such purposes. Not to mention pirate activity probably rising high on the "frontier", even if lore doesn't mention too much about it. On the other hand those ships were needed to be build more cheaply, considering Bretonias constant lack of ressources...
Mh, so that'd probably make sense for why they'd start using an old model again and why that model is already all over the place with Freelancer having free access to it and all.
Overall I hope it won't be "Bretonian Civ", right? (tbh, I wish all light house civ ships were 100% for freelancers...but heh...)
I don't know why I didn't notice that before...just now that I read it, it felt not so fitting. But maybe it's just me. And as I said, infocard is one thing, I really just care about seeing it ingame and don't want to hold the development process. Just that it'd probably affect the RP of one of my "characters" (who'd be using it; because I'm definatly getting me one or even two) a bit.
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Croft - 10-31-2013
Druen I'm glad you like them, Swallow really out did himself with these models.
Syrus, as far as I know the ships are purely civilian tech so no worries about that. The Bretonian origins are to explain the slight use of their textures and the one thing I made sure to mention was the sales of these ships have nothing to do with the Bretonian crown as demonstrated by these two paragraphs.
Quote:The Serenity was quickly pressed into production on the civilian market, becomingly widely accepted as one of the most versatile transports available today.
Persisting rumours suggest the designers may have already sold off several blueprint copies before officially submitting the design, these claims have yet to be substantiated but reports allegedly show Serenity class transports in the hands of less than reputable captains.
Quote:The overall project was considered a rousing success despite the ship being deemed unsuitable for the purpose. Disappointed but spurred on, the creators of the Tranquility quietly sold off several copies of the blueprints and began drawing up plans for a much larger vessel.
The Tranquility (X-Shuttle) doesnt even have a sale point in Bretonia, so try not to think of them as Bretonian made they just have a small Bretonian style. I hope that puts your mind at ease.
Edit: Good thing you brought this up Syrus, it made me notice a missing word in one of the infocards.
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Curios - 10-31-2013
This is a nice model to replace the Firefly's current one.
Thumb's up from me
RE: Firefly replacement. Done at 27.10.2013 - Scumbag - 10-31-2013
I suggest you use the part with atmospheric flight from the old Xshuttle infocard and say that they were designs from before there were docking rings on planets, when they needed to exit the atmosphere the old way.
Edit: it would also explain the need for such big engines and their number.