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How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - Chico - 11-05-2010
@ Syrus
Quote:.....they confuse occasional cannibalism to constant cannibalism.
Well I'm not sure you understand me or that maybe, I misunderstood Mr J (which I am happy to accept) but in any event, I am referring to the constant quip about Corsairs need food all the time above all or anything else.
Being called cannibals, like they get called sterile so often gets a tad...uninspiring. I just assumed it was the same for him as well.
Disclaimer:- I could be wrong here and I apologise in advance to him if thats not the case.
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - Dusty Lens - 11-05-2010
AFAIK the Corsairs, as a people, have not practiced cannibalism since the first desperate years following planetfall. When they found that, at best estimates, they could only support some ~ 75/50% of their population. Perhaps less.
There may be cannibalistic cults or private family practices. Not sure... Suddenly feel like making a cannibailistic Corsair group....
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - globalplayer-svk - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:Freeport 5's support consists of one person. Your claim on that matter is on par with stating that the Zoner community is fractured on this score because Dancing Bears supports the Corsairs.
Official faction support:
OSI: Stygian who has vanished, hence not carrying on with diplomacy. AFAIK other OSI members, or those I have spoken with, have voted to carry on with the banning due to being shot up by Corsair war parties.
Omicroners: When they're not placing bounties on other Zoners they're trying to start a war.
TAZ: The TAZ have balked and avoided this whole affair since the word go. The only presence of any kind they have is Doc Holliday who's participated in no meaningful way. Again, afaik, they're trying to get their own ID to drop out of Zoner issues entirely.
One of the Corsair's, thusly your, positions is that the Zoners are annoyingly fractured. Therefor there must be war.
Your postion, therefor the Corsairs', is that treating the Zoners as a unified body is a source of trouble.
Many things here are being misrepresented or misconstructed. I find it worrysome.
then why from beggining of disco are zoners acting as separates group without leadership?
when they are not fragmented but united, who is leader? noone? when noone is leader then around who they are united?
many times, when there was problem with one freeport or base or something, other zoners answered: we are not his parents, we are not responzible for his actions...
and be resnponzible for others is one part of unity..... what make my friend is affecting me... or?...
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - Enojado - 11-05-2010
First off, why this discussion is still raging is beyond me...
All would be well again if the corairs just took over FP9 in the next mod version.
Grief by the zoners wouldn't help because they would have to wait another mod version to get it changed (which is too long a period to stay mad(even for disco zoners)).
So as I said... everyone would eventually be happy.
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - Cond0r - 11-05-2010
Whats this <strike>rage</strike> discussion about again?
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - globalplayer-svk - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:First off, why this discussion is still raging is beyond me...
All would be well again if the corairs just took over FP9 in the next mod version.
Grief by the zoners wouldn't help because they would have to wait another mod version to get it changed (which is too long a period to stay mad(even for disco zoners)).
So as I said... everyone would eventually be happy.
this is what corsairs will...
where is demand that corsairs will have freeport?...
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - Zelot - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:Freeport 5's support consists of one person. Your claim on that matter is on par with stating that the Zoner community is fractured on this score because Dancing Bears supports the Corsairs.
Official faction support:
OSI: Stygian who has vanished, hence not carrying on with diplomacy. AFAIK other OSI members, or those I have spoken with, have voted to carry on with the banning due to being shot up by Corsair war parties.
Omicroners: When they're not placing bounties on other Zoners they're trying to start a war.
TAZ: The TAZ have balked and avoided this whole affair since the word go. The only presence of any kind they have is Doc Holliday who's participated in no meaningful way. Again, afaik, they're trying to get their own ID to drop out of Zoner issues entirely.
One of the Corsair's, thusly your, positions is that the Zoners are annoyingly fractured. Therefor there must be war.
Your postion, therefor the Corsairs', is that treating the Zoners as a unified body is a source of trouble.
Many things here are being misrepresented or misconstructed. I find it worrysome.
Yet again you seem to want to misquote me and misrepresent my position. You seem to want to paint this whole thing, and every individual comment made into black and white arguments with no context to them.
Quote:The Zoners are a fragmented community, and trying to treat it as one group is one of the things that caused problems for them in the first place.One of the things, there have been many things that have brought the situation to this point, this is one of the things that contributed. I am not saying, as you want to imply
Quote:One of the Corsair's, thusly your, positions is that the Zoners are annoyingly fractured. Therefor there must be war.As for OSI, I point you here : http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=83816
As for TAZ I point you here : http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=83644
As for attempts to talk to the Omicroners, I point you here : http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=83707
Now, 2 of the 3 official Zoner factions have clearly said they wish not to be part of whats going on with Freeport 9, and wish to maintain thier relations with the Corsairs in spite of the situation. That seems to me to mean that the Zoner community is now more fragmented than it was, and instead of making a deal with the ZA and treating all Zoners as one group, it should be ok to peruse different diplomacies with different parts of the Zoner population.
My comment was in response to Argonuat and Syris discussing how if you are hostile with the Freeport 9 Zoners, or the Omircroners that you are hostile with all Zoners, which I have clearly proven is not the case.
If you were more int rested in reading the thread and the context in which I made my comments, instead of taking my comments individually without any context, you would see that.
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - Agmen of Eladesor - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:There may be cannibalistic cults or private family practices. Not sure... Suddenly feel like making a cannibailistic Corsair group....
I think somebody already did that...
You'll want to open a shop and call it Porky's - or maybe throw partys with the Donners...
But yeah, you're right, it's a heritage thing and not actually something that's really practiced. We used to use that as an insult - and they used to view it as a badge of honor. Be sort of like someone from 19th century England calling an American a rebel - they'd mean it to be insulting, we're honored by that.
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - Dusty Lens - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:then why from beggining of disco are zoners acting as separates group without leadership?
when they are not fragmented but united, who is leader? noone? when noone is leader then around who they are united?
many times, when there was problem with one freeport or base or something, other zoners answered: we are not his parents, we are not responzible for his actions...
and be resnponzible for others is one part of unity..... what make my friend is affecting me... or?...
I think you're confusing vanilla zoners, disco zoners and corsair zoners.
Vanilla Zoners: Small communities living in deep space, making a living by trading goods and services while serving as waypoints in extremely deep space. Stick apart is the motto. They're seperate but -do- support one another (Don't make me dig up quotes. I can, they're all posted in one nice thread, but it's a bother) as they realize that cooperation = survival.
Disco Zoners: Hold a rather amazing planet. Population is some hundreds of millions. Maintains a large defensive fleet. Corporate strongarm of the Omicrons and Omegas. Taus presence remains relatively similar to Vanilla. Posture of mutual cooperation with the Corsairs due to Hessian/Molly threat in regards to 49. Currently at war with the Corsairs.
Corsair Zoners: Vanilla Zoners but offer no services, do not stick together and generally hate one another, preferring to tend their own garden while their neighbor burns. Though in this case the only freeport which hasn't been attacked by Corsairs in the Omicrons/Omegas is FP5.
But, in short, yes. Zoners support one another and cooperate. They're not so fragmented, even in Vanilla. Disco Zoners have been amplified past their original power as much as the Outcasts and Corsairs.
' Wrote:I think somebody already did that...
You'll want to open a shop and call it Porky's - or maybe throw partys with the Donners...
But yeah, you're right, it's a heritage thing and not actually something that's really practiced. We used to use that as an insult - and they used to view it as a badge of honor. Be sort of like someone from 19th century England calling an American a rebel - they'd mean it to be insulting, we're honored by that.
I wonder how you say "Long Pork" in Latin.
But yes, I'm aware, but some people seem to be of the actual impression that they're still cannibalistic as a rule. The kind of people who can't distinguish between a jibe and fact:D
Edit: Roughly "porro sus"
How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction - Zelot - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:I think you're confusing vanilla zoners, disco zoners and corsair zoners.
Vanilla Zoners: Small communities living in deep space, making a living by trading goods and services while serving as waypoints in extremely deep space. Stick apart is the motto. They're seperate but -do- support one another (Don't make me dig up quotes. I can, they're all posted in one nice thread, but it's a bother) as they realize that cooperation = survival.
Disco Zoners: Hold a rather amazing planet. Population is some hundreds of millions. Maintains a large defensive fleet. Corporate strongarm of the Omicrons and Omegas. Taus presence remains relatively similar to Vanilla. Posture of mutual cooperation with the Corsairs due to Hessian/Molly threat in regards to 49. Currently at war with the Corsairs.
Corsair Zoners: Vanilla Zoners but offer no services, do not stick together and generally hate one another, preferring to tend their own garden while their neighbor burns. Though in this case the only freeport which hasn't been attacked by Corsairs in the Omicrons/Omegas is FP5.
But, in short, yes. Zoners support one another and cooperate. They're not so fragmented, even in Vanilla. Disco Zoners have been amplified past their original power as much as the Outcasts and Corsairs.
Yes, it seems the Zoners support one another and cooperate, considering the Omicroners bountying the head of OSI, and the OSI and TAZ not wanting to come to the defense of Freeport 9. Not fragmented at all.