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Corsair - Zoner - Grumblesaur - 02-04-2012
Aren't the Corsairs supposed to be starving? A couple of biodomes attached to their shipyard isn't gonna keep an "empire" fed.
Eat a bit of humble pie and take the Zoners off your hitlist. Your efforts would be better spent organizing battles in Eta or other arena systems where people can fight and NOT have to dock in places that piss you off.
Corsair - Zoner - Jeremy Hunter - 02-04-2012
Get off your high horses, sit in Skype, and debate this civilly, and find a compromise to the current porblems, instead of going out and shooting all the Zoners you can going Yalalalal for worst reasons then the Order - Liberty hatred.
Corsair - Zoner - Zelot - 02-04-2012
' Wrote:Get off your high horses, sit in Skype, and debate this civilly, and find a compromise to the current porblems, instead of going out and shooting all the Zoners you can going Yalalalal for worst reasons then the Order - Liberty hatred.
I have spoken with both Doc and Stygian on skype:)Didnt progress well, though we all understand each others points, we are all bound to act as our characters would act, not ourselves.
Corsair - Zoner - casero - 02-04-2012
' Wrote:Get off your high horses, sit in Skype, and debate this civilly, and find a compromise to the current porblems, instead of going out and shooting all the Zoners you can going Yalalalal for worst reasons then the Order - Liberty hatred.
I don't see a problem that needs to be fixed.
Corsair - Zoner - globalplayer-svk - 02-04-2012
' Wrote:I understand the problem, but the Corsairs will have to give up.
After a while it will not be that important to them anymore.
And even the Corsairs with all their power cant take on all of Sirius.
I think they end up to be wise, and not commit suicide.
Since the powers around them grow much faster then theirs....
So i see it on the bright side, We will become good neighbours again.
Corsairs dont have any choice, they will have to accept us as friends.
Even if they dont really want to... *smiles again but then a bit viciously*
ok so
1: corsairs will have to give up... can you give me reason? you think that freeport in theta, or in omega 41 or even corfu can whace whole empire of the corsairs? with its whole fleet? fleet of best shipbuilders in sirius ?????? you really think one, i repeat one singla base can face whole empire???? - this is rp question
2: after a while it will not be that important to them anymore ... you really think it will be not important to us that hunters iwth hessians are starting raids together from zoner bases? you really think that?
when it will be not important to us, then it is breaking rp... you know why? because in rp we must care from where are attacks starting and defend ourselves....
3:powers around them ? which powers? powers of hessians that in rp can not have fleet compared to corsairs? have on mind that when hessians will grow up too much, rheinland military will clean them because they can not allow them to be to strong in their house ...
or power of the zoners that are pacifist and in no chance they are all war pilots? (again rp,,, and this is zoner rp... ) or power of the order that lost its home? or what powers ????? have on mind that corsairs are still the largest and strongest unlawfull faction of sirius...
4: corsairs will not take whole sirius... not now ...
5:we can become good neighboors only if zoners finally understand that allowing someone, no matter who to base their attack from their base is picking side...and picking side is killing whole talks about neutrality....
thats the problem...
you can not be neutral and allow someone to attack someone and thinking that there will be no consequences for you for that ....
and even if corsairs dont want it... you think that corsairs will be nice when they dont want it ? have on mind that they are criminals...not pacifist...
Corsair - Zoner - globalplayer-svk - 02-04-2012
' Wrote:Aren't the Corsairs supposed to be starving? A couple of biodomes attached to their shipyard isn't gonna keep an "empire" fed.
Eat a bit of humble pie and take the Zoners off your hitlist. Your efforts would be better spent organizing battles in Eta or other arena systems where people can fight and NOT have to dock in places that piss you off.
no corsairs are not starving, because other zoners as theta zoners are giving them food... you know zoners are not one nation ... in rp we still have food from them + from kusari ....
(zoners are screaming that they are not one faction and can not be responsible for actions of other zoners. so any problem with this answer? )
and you know hardly to organize battles somewhere when every few hours undock from freeport 3 hessian battleship together with 4 bounty hutner battleship onyl to travel 27k to jumphole to gamma to attack it ....
Corsair - Zoner - Jeremy Hunter - 02-04-2012
' Wrote:I have spoken with both Doc and Stygian on skype:)Didnt progress well, though we all understand each others points, we are all bound to act as our characters would act, not ourselves.
' Wrote:I don't see a problem that needs to be fixed.
Meh, I was pissed off when I wrote that and didnt think it through.
So my apologies.
Corsair - Zoner - Sir_Now - 02-05-2012
Well, to respond to globalplayer-svk,
I am still quite positive about it all.
After a while the situation will calm down again i think.
In a while we are probably going to send parties that want to raid Gamma away from the FP.
That has been done before with independent BHG always gathering at the FP in Delta to stage attacks from there.
So something like that could happen again maybe.
But anyway forces hostile to you could and will attack you anyway from any base anywhere.
And when they do Corsair interest in the FP's will fade i think.
Hessians will attack you from Omega 11 then, so you will have other things on your mind.
And no, i dont think Rheinland Military will come into the Omega's to prevent them from reducing your forces.
Well, anyways, we are probably sitting all together at the bar on FP9 in some time, having a good laugh about it all, eating fried Artifacts and drinking our Omicron Pale Ale *smiles*
Corsair - Zoner - Dude - 02-05-2012
hi to all. first i want to say thx for this nice discussion. i am a new zoner. i had in the first days of my "zoner life" some strange situations. i got to say i think i get all points. each faction gots its facts and rights.
i got to tell one of the numoures stories i´ve seen in just a few days.
i went to FP9, a cosair said to me this is now our space.
I had a fearless he had a pirate-train so he didn´t attack.
in my point of view(RP) cosairs got no right to tell a zoner in front of a zoner base what to do.
i think it would be fair to say that the system is free, so cosairs can tax as much as they want BUT within a distance of maybe 15k of a zoner base every one who want to trade with zoner is safe. that means anyone will be defent who is in this area and wants to bring cargo or what else to our place.
its just a way to avoid war. you know all we don´t war, we don´t need war.
just have respect for the way oof living we all chose
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:Like one said Samura and FA will ship food
can you tell me a single FA that came to ship food or you have seen a samura in months
More to the question to me is, Were do they get the food? As a zoner, I wouldn't be allowing food to be obtained from a Freeport to goto crete like I have seen (2 Jumps)
Zoners have spent substantial funds setting up and running eco-spheres to make that food, We sell it to make a profit, and in the case of the Corsairs as a "You scratch my back I Scratch yours" Seems very wrong that a Zoner would let his non-aggressive leverage go.
As for TBH, Since they keep claiming they don't answer to the empire, they make there own rules etc, Shouldn't they not be Corsairs, And instead be terrorists, They sure sound like there playing terrorists, Only havn't put in the effort or RP to get the ID, As a generalisation, Shouldn't they also be hostile to Corsairs (Being Terrorists) making back room deals with symphisisers. As far as I know, Zoners haven't re-written Lore so we can shoot on sight.
It's a really funny smelling role-play to me. Which I can't actually find a Definite chain of events. And the really good actual RP i have seen, (Which i cant know cause its secure) Doesn't actually explain the happenings.
Corsair or zoner, Please I beg of you, Show us the official roleplay chain of events that made this possible.
Not just a random "We Demand" with no chain of events, And don't tell me "It was all ooc" or private in game RP.
If it was private ingame RP, In my view there should be "encrypted" evidence openly available so we can ooc verify your story. Your actions effect a large number of players. And i see many of these posts, Including mine, Showing that your story cannot easily be de-cypered into logical iRP events.
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"We can't blow up their stuff (aside from their player ships) we can't damage their bases, we can't hurt their economy, we can't starve out their people, hell we cant even kill a single bloody Zoner without their express, OORP permission."
Huh what, You are blowing up zoner ships (Not you necessarily, But it appears you're a corsair?)
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"This.
All zoners are to be treated as hostile unless proven otherwise. Throwing a piece of bred only then they have their own arse in danger won't prove anything. OSI and TAZ are groups of zoners who earned respect. The rest - haven't."
Huh what? Its not just zoners who have no clue. Ive just read two "Official" posts, one from the empire (Today) and another with TBH representation that say this statement is incorrect. See theres the biggest issue, No solid roleplay, no one has any Official idea wth is going on. Apart from the few people making it up.
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"being a pvp whore too much then? no wonder the average corsair wants to do is pew pew pew,"
Not true, only these selected individuals do that to me (A zoner)
There is far far far more corsairs that still hang out with me, Even when the Corsair Terrorists (TBH) try stopping me/attacking me, Other Corsairs, Come to my aid in one way or another.
If TBH terrorists can make there own rules, Why cant zoners? I don't want to shoot or be shot by any human, But we should be allwoed to adapt our rules to kill Terrorists of the empire (TBH) on sight. And the corsairs should be able to.
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"While i agree on the evidence part, only the corsairs have bothered to complain. Why? because it doesent WORK. Zoners are a major rp-supply artery to the corsair empire. Treating unrelated indies as hostile is actually technically against the server rules since its non-cannon rp for corsairs to attack them openly. Plus In-rp its a dumb idea since the corsairs already have plenty of opponents."
Gotta agree, I have pm'd multiple admins about the "RP Breech" Hell an admin is the leader of the faction. I also notice that the terrorists (TBH) hang about JH's with zoner npc's flying right past them with no shooting.
I also saw one launching from a freeport.....
Breech of rule
6.10 Player reputation and conduct must match player actions.? IF your hostile zoners, and ignoring the zoner council "We make our own rules" New ID and repsheet hack Hostile Corsairs and zoners. Let the magnitude of zoners and Corsairs play there happy neutral lives.
"Reguardless, its safe to say all zoners WOULD stop supplying crete if a kill-on-sight order was issued for every zoner flagged ship in existence. Seems sort of a deal breaker. Your comment makes me picture your avvie as really appropriate."
There is a KoS order, its just nicely out of zoner RP in a encrypted channel.
I still take food, only the TBH terrorists have had an "ingame rp" issue with it, One guy I believe may have been non TBH had a ooc (Rules) issue with it, Because i was flying a fearless, If the TBH terrorists stop shooting at us, I wont need the best shields I can afford.
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"If player dies he cant tell information about death to his faction/clan etc..."
Umm... If you shoot me, the first thing i do is open comms to every player i know that might also be in danger. The FLHook server commands make group messaging much easier, I can use a command to warn the guy i just scanned 30k ago or warn a whole faction in a mass message. In fact i can use /1 To make a standardised distress call including your name.