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Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - n00bl3t - 06-11-2008
' Wrote:So we can keep track of who's an idiot and who's not. By registering you show you have at least half the common sense you need to uphold the responsibility of a Destroyer command; and if we see somebody doing something grossly OORP or innapropriate, we have an easier avenue to remove them from their command. If I were power-lusting I'd have did what the RM did, namely, ban all sales of Rheinland capital ships, and then gone on a massive bomber-whoring spree and killed every non-faction Outcast warship we see.
It's what you wanted to do. I remember your posts after Korrd's server statement.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - n00bl3t - 06-11-2008
' Wrote:Registered where? on the forums? we ask them to register their craft - write an RP background to it, that for itself is forcing them to RP.
As for the attack on faction leaders, what makes you think it's just a power struggle of faction leaders?
I can speak for at least 5 factions I'm in with more than 14 players in each, all are against the Capwhoring and all are for the cap ship registration, and to be honest, the faction leaders are the one taking the things faction members wanna do a notch down. So instead of attacking the faction leaders for being just a small bunch that have a problem with cap whoring, be glad they are between you and the factions, as if they weren't you would probably been KoS right away.
We, the "So evil and power mongering" Faction Leaders, each represent a smaller community withing the server, gathered together we represent the community itself.
Who do you represent? And what makes you think that most ppl on the server are not in a faction?
"You need to think about the whole community and not just yourselves for a change."
I think it should go the other way around, as you seem to be all for yourself on none for the community.
BTW, just a thought, what if you registered and wrote a background story, than another indie cap ship player would read it, get an idea and join you in your RP, and so on and so on, then all of you will be entangled with the RP of the faction as will the faction be part of your RP, thus creating a better RP experience for all of us? mm.. just a thought...
Edited: And here is another thought, what if someone that doesn't know how to RP a BS will read your story, he might get ideas, write a story of his own, create new RP for himself, start RPing on the server..
is it so far fetched?
And if by doing so we get even 1 or 2 indie capships ships to RP insted of being a PvP cap whores who shout "noob" and "lol" and "pwnt" in system chat and that is the most comunication you get from them if any, than it was all worth it..
I have a background story. Why should I register? I hope that the new players do read my story and become inspired.
' Wrote:I'm going to respond to this bit, becasue here you're in sync with what most folks are trying to say here and failing a little. Decent RP and story will get you most of the ships you want, it'll buy you an OC Battleship, you'll get a Kusari battleship and even a Bretonian one. That's not and never has been an issue. The issue is with the indies who don't ahve an RP for their battleships or any cap ships. I'll be honest I need to write up the RP for all my capships for the Rogues. Niezck is working on both the Graviton on Neutron stories and I need to get my arse in gear for the Gunboat Diplomat and whatever my BS will be called when I buy it. But the RP for the BS will come before the BS is bought in line with Eppy's regualtions concerning Outcast battleships. Both the LR's capital vessels are registered with the 101st and their role defined. All our gunboats will be defined. We will follow all rules laid down in order to do this. We will not be docking our gunboats or anything alrger at Buffalo we will be setting an example. If the RP is there there isn't a problem and no-one is suggesting there is. Nobody is saying you cannot fly these ships, they are simply asking you why you are flying these ships. Which as the factions who are in charge of these things they ahve every right to do.
I RP. All I'm saying is that I shouldn't have to register.
Edit: Double-post accident. Apologies.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Robert.Fitzgerald - 06-11-2008
In the words of my friend who has only recently started playing Discovery:
"You don't have to follow an official faction's rules, but it's advised to unless you have a good roleplay reason for doing otherwise. You won't get sanctioned for not following them, but the faction has the right to punish you if you ignore them."
This is making mountains out of mole-hills. Nooblet, if you just linked your "RP" into a registration, I'm pretty sure they would register you right away. Not hard, right?
Neither is the whole registration thing. It's a lot more simple and painfree than people mark it out to be.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Jihadjoe - 06-11-2008
Could I just point out here that if someone comes to me asking for help about getting a ship registered with the 101st etc I will actualy help them acheive this. I only think restrictions are good if they are in place to promote better roleplay. The more people write stories the better.
I have alluded in my earlier post to the fact that cap ships are fairly useless. I think that if most caps were roleplayed then we could return to having awesome ships rather than these lame peices of useless crap.
So come on people, just help the factions get things back to how they should be. When all the ship owners in disco roleplay we will be happy.
This is not about stiffling any indies, nor is it about uniformaty within roleplay. Your story could be totally out of left field for us, but if it isn't treading on anyone elses roleplay shoes or messing with already established thigns in game we will accept it.
One of the reasons we want to register warships is because what navy wouldn't know how many ships it has? What army wouldn't know how many men it had in the field? The idea that any armed force wouldn't know how many capitol ships it had in its possession or had made is utterly absurd. So if you support better RP then register your ship.
Can everyone stop doing the "big bad factions took away my toys" whinge for one moment and look at the bigger picture here. Its not about you, its about the server... Ok?
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Akumabito - 06-11-2008
' Wrote:By registering you show you have at least half the common sense you need to uphold the responsibility of a Destroyer command
Nothing of the sort, all registering shows is that you registered. Theirs no rp in registering, and no rp in most of the registering posts. Even if there is a little rp it has littlle chance of carrying over to the server.
The cap ship persecution of indies is not making this a better server, it's only feeding the ego's of the several faction leaders who have a might makes right mentality and are getting back at indies for battles they lost.
I, for one, am smart enough not to call a flimsy excuse for factions to pvp whore indies an improvement to server rp.
If only the factions would step back and see this isn't about them, it's about the server.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Jihadjoe - 06-11-2008
Look up akuma... I have just posted a rather good RP reason for it.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - chovynz - 06-11-2008
' Wrote:Quote:After I had some sleep I thought of something. Correct me if Im way off track Tek, n00bl3t and other "for-indies".
Is the PVP server down? Because it seems to me be two issues contributing to the issue here. 1) an influx of people wanting the biggest ships with the biggest armor, with the biggest guns - without proper RP. To me that is just "capship-whoreship". That Kind of thing I feel belongs on the pvp server.
and 2) the unfair restrictions put on indies because of this influx of new players.
Would that be about right?
I'm not from the PVP server. Have never played there in my life. I have nothing past 2.5 times armour. I don't own a BS at the moment either. Any further clarification needed?
Yes actually I need way more clarification. But I wasnt talking about you. Again I haven't seen you RP. I dont know you ingame. The people I am talking about here are those that
DO NOT COME TO THE FORUMS
DO NOT RP INGAME
DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAP WHORING DOES TO ..all the other players who fly in fighters.
I DO NOT own a capship or a bomber, but I have had countless times when 3 OC BS are parked right outside Manhattan.
THAT IS NOT RP. THAT IS CAP WHORING. Those are the Indies I am talking about.
Seriously! I do not care if you are a indy or a faction...as long as you RP on this damned RP server!!!
THE problem is the non-rp cap whoring new players WHO DONT HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR ANYONE ELSE's rp.
I'm just sick of it. I'd like to play! id like to RP. but I cant. Because there are INDIES out there who sit in MY ZOI, completely OORP with Guns that one shot kill me and there is nothing I can do about it.
I hate sanctioning people, and I usually have no legal standing to sanction them. Theres not a damn thing I can do about the Cap whore people. No. I'm not dumbing it down to ICAP or whatever else you want to call it. It is a PVP CAP WHORE atitude that has no place on a RP server.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Eppy - 06-11-2008
Quote:It's what you wanted to do. I remember your posts after Korrd's server statement.
...excusemwa?
Are you daft?
No, seriously. WHAT? Am I suddenly not allowed to satirize the minority public opinion of myself? Would I honestly make such a big noise about it every time it comes up (before individuals such as yourself force me to get unpleasantly serious. I mean, really. I've probably gotten 300 posts out of this by now) if I weren't trying to satirize my image? That's something nobody would try and draw attention to unless they were very, very stupid or making a joke. This case is the latter. Get it straight before charging on here and making accusations of fascism.
Quote:Nooblet, if you just linked your "RP" into a registration, I'm pretty sure they would register you right away. Not hard, right?
Wrong.
IT'S EVEN SIMPLER THAN THAT.
For the Destroyer our friend here has literally all he has to do is post his ship's name. THAT constitutes a registration. RP is only required for Battleships and Dreadnoughts.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Reverend Del - 06-11-2008
Akuma, my last point on this issue is that it hasn't affected only the indies, the LR has registered it's destroyers with the Outcasts. It wasn't hard. The OPG has registered it's caps with the TBH and Benitez. The LR will be jumping through all the hoops necessary to buy an OC BS because they aren't hard hoops to jump through. In fact they will make sure I post some RP where I might not have before. Simple enough.
Del out, once and for all.
Ending the Capship Issue(and more) - Akumabito - 06-11-2008
' Wrote:Akuma, my last point on this issue is that it hasn't affected only the indies, the LR has registered it's destroyers with the Outcasts.
Which has no meaning in the current debate. A faction head supports a faction head. Whoopee!
What should be talked about here is:
1. Identifying that there is a problem serious enough to require action.
This hasn't been done, and despite promises of 100 screenies none have been posted. What has been posted is Eppy being pwned by 4 to one odds, I was killed 5 to one by the 101st in a corsair ship in sig 13 once so eppys point seems like whining, and it doesn't show any real issue that registration would mitigate.
Where is the promised proof that there is a real issue?
2. Showing that registration will mitigate the problem.
This hasn't been shown as well, and in fact registration on the face of it seems unlikely to change anything. I could register my cap ships, but it won't change a single thing I do in character.
3. Showing this isn't just petty bullying by faction leaders who want to pvp whore.
In fact, several faction leaders have basically posted that they are doing this because they have the power to do so, a rather worrying sign that the faction leaders in question lack the maturity that their positions should demand.
Bottom line, you can PvP whore me to death faction leaders, but all that proves is that RP means nothing to you.
Now, here is my suggestion, you faction leaders want to actually have a positive effect? Record oorp players, even the faction players who reengage rather than telling them they are allowed, the ones that cruise to catch up in a pvp fight and all the other rule breakers under your command who make you look like you don't care about us indies, and take action against them while not targeting indies that are causing no issue.
Of course as Del implied, that takes too much time, so screw the indies. She's more important than any hundred others.