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RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - Swallow - 07-05-2013
The point is that the hate is irl, but not only rp-wise. Shame that community is not tolerant to the new guys, and attempts to help are so rare, that it feels disgusting.
Just like it was made to CCCP.
Sure things - ban makes things go smooth, but boring again as well, boring and casual.
And we are mostly an old fags complaining about the lawn on the front garden.
RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - Jinx - 07-05-2013
to add what what swallow said
i have got into contact with ZA - and talked about a little line of RP to do with them - and what do you know - its not only nice and easy - but also enjoyable
now i wonder how many of you guys have actually tried multilateral roleplay and talked ... or just "preached" from the perceived moral highground.
RP is at its best when everyone benefits - and at its worst when it is mean to hurt inRL - disregarding the characters.
there are some points that certainly are not right - but objectivly - as much as i try there ... most of the guys spilling hatred are doing it wrong just as much - but the difference is - they feel like they do justice. - not justice inRP - but justice like community police.
but that might be - as i cannot remember who said it ... was it hone? - "white-knighting" of me ... funny how that can become an insult...
RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - Shizune - 07-05-2013
Lets take a few steps back shall we?
The ZA fired up the BDM with no reason
My faction tried 5-6 times to leave the war with no avail
the ZA tried to take over 2-3 stations in the past
the ZA attacked Order and Corsair ships
the ZA supported in blowing up the AI base
now don't go telling me "Oh their new, quit the bullying" because fair is fair, and they learnt their lesson
RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - Swallow - 07-05-2013
I see nothing bad in their RP hostilities, neither that in their agressive-zoner style.
While trying to follow the lore (as you say) you forget about the RP process itself.
What is wrong in trying something new?
I agree that inability (as you say) to communicate is a bit irritating, but you have what you want: "RP with guns, PVP=RP" and so on.
Did these guys raid NY? NB? As far as I understand they simply sit at Omi-74 and maintain their stronghold, while you bring characters from all over the Sirius to provoke them (hence agreed, that silent engage is no good, but if you were true roleplayer, you wouldn't complain about that, see RL).
You make them look like a universe-evil, while being troll yourself. Because it is easier, and because [Angels] seem to not to do their job.
Then, after all, you complain abouth Disco is dying and activity is low. I say - eat that.
RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - Shizune - 07-05-2013
(07-05-2013, 05:37 PM)Swallow Wrote: I see nothing bad in their RP hostilities, neither that in their agressive-zoner style.
While trying to follow the lore (as you say) you forget about the RP process itself.
What is wrong in trying something new?
I agree that inability (as you say) to communicate is a bit irritating, but you have what you want: "RP with guns, PVP=RP" and so on.
Did these guys raid NY? NB? As far as I understand they simply sit at Omi-74 and maintain their stronghold, while you bring characters from all over the Sirius to provoke them (hence agreed, that silent engage is no good, but if you were true roleplayer, you wouldn't complain about that, see RL).
You make them look like a universe-evil, while being troll yourself. Because it is easier, and because [Angels] seem to not to do their job.
Then, after all, you complain abouth Disco is dying and activity is low. I say - eat that.
The Solar Runners don't care about the war really, to say, i have no idea why we are even in it
i tried pulling the players out of the fighting only to have them go back in
however if you will, if you do see any aggression from any SolarR, let me know, we pulled out of the war, and i'd like to know anyone of ours that is still attacking
RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - Swallow - 07-05-2013
@Shizune, unfortunately, I am unable to play now. Also, I have no doubts in your administrative skills.
Well, if people wants to be left alone - just let them... Maybe they will show less hostility then.
RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - NonSequitor - 07-05-2013
I've had very little contact with the ZA. However, my indie Zoner has been checking out O-74 from time to time to see what the fuss is about.
If PoBs were easier to build and maintain, and therefore easier to destroy, ZA wouldn't be on anyone's radar. But that topic that's been beaten like a proverbial dead horse.
Judging from the atitudes in game and on the forums, the ZA needs to tighten up it's RP and aim for consistency. Other than that, full steam ahead, pay attention to the basic server rules and have fun.
That said, I like the idea of a more assertive Zoner RP subtype. It gives someone wanting to play a Zoner more flexibility. Not everyone in the Omicrons wants to play an unlawful, an Order or Core character. A Zoner can be an explorer, researcher, humanitarian, colonist, merchant and mercenary - even a bit of all of the aforementioned.
Factions in this universe evolve, including the Zoners. The ID should probably be regionalized and the Order should no longer be an ally. I never really understood that bit of logic, especially since the BH presence on most Freeports is considerable. FP11 even offers BH missions vs. the Order. You'd think the Order might take issue to that sort of business happening on a Zoner operated Freeport.
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RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - GTB - 07-05-2013
Personally I think O-74 should be a Zoner Guard system. Doesn't make sense to me having Guard NPC flying still around in that system, yet it's no longer classed as one. Why didn't they remove the Guard NPC when they changed the status of O-74 to no longer be a guard system anymore?
RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - Shizune - 07-05-2013
(07-05-2013, 07:16 PM)NonSequitor Wrote: I've had very little contact with the ZA. However, my indie Zoner has been checking out O-74 from time to time to see what the fuss is about.
If PoBs were easier to build and maintain, and therefore easier to destroy, ZA wouldn't be on anyone's radar. But that topic that's been beaten like a proverbial dead horse.
Judging from the atitudes in game and on the forums, the ZA needs to tighten up it's RP and aim for consistency. Other than that, full steam ahead, pay attention to the basic server rules and have fun.
That said, I like the idea of a more assertive Zoner RP subtype. It gives someone wanting to play a Zoner more flexibility. Not everyone in the Omicrons wants to play an unlawful, an Order or Core character. A Zoner can be an explorer, researcher, humanitarian, colonist, merchant and mercenary - even a bit of all of the aforementioned.
Factions in this universe evolve, including the Zoners. The ID should probably be regionalized and the Order should no longer be an ally. I never really understood that bit of logic, especially since the BH presence on most Freeports is considerable. FP11 even offers BH missions vs. the Order. You'd think the Order might take issue to that sort of business happening on a Zoner operated Freeport.
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Mainly because the Order have supplied and supported the Zoners more often then the Hunters, as well as the Ties the Order has with the Zoners, look at the Hathor Gunship, even its modded after the Zoner Conferance. The Zoners have also for years supplied those on Minor before the nomads attacked and evacuated the Freeport in Delta when the Nomads attacked.
In that turn, the Order and Zoners are like Best friends. They are kinda like the Military force in the Omicrons, stopping smugglers, nomads, researching and planing.
The Zoners have then helped the Order build their ships, grow their planets and so on and so forth.
The only reason the BH's have missions on the freeports is because thats where Hunters hold down a lot of times, in good or bad company.
Now in these's turn of events, the Order wanted to mediate was going on in Omicron 74, however when push comes to shove, they were more like asked to support in stopping what was going on, in which turned into blockades, which turned into shooting bases which ended with the Order going to war with the ZA
Quote:That said, I like the idea of a more assertive Zoner RP subtype. It gives someone wanting to play a Zoner more flexibility. Not everyone in the Omicrons wants to play an unlawful, an Order or Core character. A Zoner can be an explorer, researcher, humanitarian, colonist, merchant and mercenary - even a bit of all of the aforementioned.
This is very true, we can be anything we wish, and if the ZA want to hunker down in 74 and make a fortress the Order does not like, no one is stopping them. however they have to understand this will anger some parties causing them to take action. Hence why the Brotherhood and corsairs acted, some for good, some for bad. Other indies got caught up in this war as well, some by accident, some just wanted to.
Quote:@Shizune, unfortunately, I am unable to play now. Also, I have no doubts in your administrative skills.
Well, if people wants to be left alone - just let them... Maybe they will show less hostility then.
Like I said, Zoners do what they want, there is no rules stating they can't, if some Runners want to be on the war front, who cares, as long as they are not attacking, I don't care. Plus i'm not the leader of the Solar Runners, that's Moveit56, Me, Explorer, Joe, Ghost Radical, and Occam
We work by a network of Councilmen, not one leader, all councilmen have a say of what might happen or will happen before a action is taken. So really, don't just blame one person for whats going on.
Anyways
Quote:I see nothing bad in their RP hostilities, neither that in their agressive-zoner style.
While trying to follow the lore (as you say) you forget about the RP process itself.
What is wrong in trying something new?
I agree that inability (as you say) to communicate is a bit irritating, but you have what you want: "RP with guns, PVP=RP" and so on.
Did these guys raid NY? NB? As far as I understand they simply sit at Omi-74 and maintain their stronghold, while you bring characters from all over the Sirius to provoke them (hence agreed, that silent engage is no good, but if you were true roleplayer, you wouldn't complain about that, see RL).
You make them look like a universe-evil, while being troll yourself. Because it is easier, and because [Angels] seem to not to do their job.
Then, after all, you complain about Disco is dying and activity is low. I say - eat that.
You are correct in many ways, but as you also stated, its RP, we may be aggressive to the Zoner Alliance and want them dead but that's in RP.
In the least, we all have RP'ed the attacks, i'll say it, some people could of done better RP. however as you stated, all Zoners have their own way of life, if we want to destroy the ZA with the help of the Order, who is to say we cant?
Or who is to say the ZA cant ally with the Corsairs or another faction?
If anything, the ZA only have to yell about some Silent attacks and OORP actions, beyond that we can yell back
Metagaming, we all do it, come on, we all do...
Powergaming, somethings can happen in Rp.. ITS RP FOR HEAVENS SAKE'S
OORP, We all do it sooner or later, annoyance or anger can get the better of us
Silent attacking, Same with the OORP, everyone does it sooner or later
Rengagging, OK, everyone does this in some form or another, this is true, I've done it before in the past.
Trolling, I've seen the ZA do this in system chat, and as well as other players not part of the ZA... Even I have trolled in the past...
This is not about rage or attacking, its about the RP war front
we all need to get over it, its RP
some people don't like war RP, fine
But the ZA are at as much fault as anyone else here.
I can list a few things the ZA did, and here they are sence no one else wants to
Rengagment on ZA Falcon, ZA Juggernaughts and transports
Trolling in system chat dont via Falcon, Zigzag, Search&Rescue and Tel
Threaten with Reporting, i had tons of players say the ZA did such...
Logging on other ships to Attack others, i've seen this myself...
Attempt to take over stations they don't own, and landing on enemy stations, Livida belongs to Phoenix who have locked it down from the ZA, odd how they can still dock on it
Powergammed soldiers got on your stations and you killed them, ive seen the RP...
OORP in local and system chat, i've seen that, we got SS's all over the place on disco of that...
now on our end?
Powergaming and metagamming yes, but elite factions somewhat have the right to do such
Trolling in system and local commonly but not much anymore
Logging other ships to attack the ZA, I've done this myself..
OORP in local and system chat, done, did it before, we all have
Im sure there's more I have not listed but you have the basic idea
its war, crap will happen, get over it or leave, either way, lots of people don't care anymore.
RE: Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ] - Shizune - 07-05-2013
Post 2 for feedback then if i need to point out flaws...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ1WyBGG_Vw
Your National Anthem? what are you, a nation now? military songs needed?
Quote:The Zoner Alliance though with a Militaristic approach to life at times, does follow the teaching's of the Neo Covenant Church and aspire to follow the teachings of the great god-like figure Deux Machina.
Its Called mimicking other religions on the game, including the TAZ, and NCC.
Quote:819 A.S.
The Zoner Alliance(ZA)started simply as a normal zoner group, trading and exploring the stars.
As time progressed they did extensive construction within Omicron-74, building three large stations. These stations allowed the ZA to construct Docking Modules, Cloaks, Jump Drives, Hyperspace Survey Modules and store base building materials for construction contracts.
One of the stations was a extension of the existing Lividia Shipyard and demands from the Phoenix and Order to have it demolished were after sometime agreed to, after its decommisioning the Phoenix constructed their own extension to the Lividia Shipyard.
Quote:One of the stations was a extension of the existing Lividia Shipyard and demands from the Phoenix and Order to have it demolished were after sometime agreed to, after its decommisioning the Phoenix constructed their own extension to the Lividia Shipyard.
Phoenix not once permitted you to do such, if they did, post it here, if not, you have no hard proof of this.
Quote:The Artificial Consensus at first started on friendly terms with the Alliance. But after they suffered several setbacks against other factions, losing several installations against hostile forces they turned bitter and twisted. Their programming became erratic and over time they turned on the Alliance and became its most bitter enemies.
With the help of another Zoner group they grew bold and invaded Omicron-74 with the goal of destroying the Alliance.
When this occured the Order then used this as an excuse to launch their own assault, once again on the Alliance. The Order has made many claims about the Alliance, calling them Nomad infected and with these wild claims(which they used an excuse) they proceeded to be-siege the Alliance once more. Vowing to rid the ZA from Sirius, once and for all!
Correction, they stated give the remains over, and those holding nomadic remains were infected
Quote:Tactics:
The Zoner Alliance used many tactics during the previous and current wars, these are now being put in lessons at the Zoner Alliance Military Academy.
They include
Guerrilla warfare
Passive aggressive tactics
Psychological warfare
Siege warfare
Shoot first, ask questions later
Supply and Logistics for Sieged bases
Surviving the Omicrons
Use of Cloaking Technology for scouting and supplies
What to do while in a escape pod(ensure you have 2 bottles of Budweiser)
Once again you have military movements, really nice when you just a
Quote:The Zoner Alliance(ZA)started simply as a normal zoner group, trading and exploring the stars.
Quote:You absolutely must be able to RP, this is key to your acceptance. More so than combat ability, If you can not RP you will not be accepted, should we find out that you lied about your RP skills you will be removed from our Ranks.
Ranks? Again, military guys
Quote:A deus ex machina (/ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɨnə/;[1] Latin: "god from the machine" pronounced [ˈdeus eks ˈmaː.kʰi.na]; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved, with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object. Depending on how it is done, it can be intended to move the story forward when the writer has "painted himself into a corner" and sees no other way out, to surprise the audience, to bring a happy ending into the tale, or as a comedic device.
Heres your god, AKA, AI God, you know this right? your at war with the AI,s yet you listen to a AI'like god?
Quote:Lord
Rank of current head of the Zoner Alliance, taken from tribal backgrounds of old earth to designate the head of the clan/tribe.
Admiral
Admirals command the Zoner Alliance Military Fleet
Commander
May have the use of all Zoner ships and are also designated into certain fields of operations. Such as Commanding divisions of the Zoner Alliance Intelligence, Research, Construction, Trade, Shipping, Mining, Smuggling and Military.
Captain
A captain has proven his worth within the Zoner Alliance and is selected to join one of the many divisions within the Alliance, they are expected to be multi-skilled individuals. Their expected to recruit and train new recruits with an insight of where the pilot would be most suited within the Alliance.
Sergeant
After completing training as a recruit, the rank of Sergeant is given. The Sergeant will then be placed into a division that is most suited to his/her skills.
Recruit
Recruits are those that have very recently enlisted in the Zoner Alliance. They have yet to prove themselves worthy, useful or reliable and so cannot achieve the rank of Sergeant until they do so. Can fly up to a very heavy fighter without requiring authorization.
Really, this is military Ranking, your not a military, your a zoner faction.
Quote:Many of its members came from all over Sirius, from all walks of life and has made them able to be flexible in all aspects of Sirius life.
Their knowledge and experience comes from their backgrounds, those backgrounds include traders, miners, smugglers, house naval personal, construction experts, scientists, specialist equipment engineer's, mechanics, freelancers and pirates.
Quote:smugglers, house naval personal
Quote:pirates
What? just what? Pirates, smuggles fine but house military would NEVER work together with a unlawful force..
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