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Corsair - Zoner - Grumblesaur - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:no corsairs are not starving, because other zoners as theta zoners are giving them food... you know zoners are not one nation ... in rp we still have food from them + from kusari ....But the Corsairs have waged war on Zoners in general. None of them should be feeding you.
(zoners are screaming that they are not one faction and can not be responsible for actions of other zoners. so any problem with this answer? )
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:But the Corsairs have waged war on Zoners in general. None of them should be feeding you.
This must be yet another comms ive missed. Last i checked its only the terrorists (TBH)
And a bunch of rogue Corsairs on the forums.
Last OFFICIAL (IMO) post I have seen is
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118758
Which (Ohh noes!) Is not that different from (original to me over a year ago) The actual standing anyway.
1. The Zoners via their TAZ and OSI representatives will recognize the system known as Omicron Theta as Corsair Empire sovereign space.
2. All enemies of the Corsair Empire, proven to have repeatedly engaged in hostile actions against the Empire within or in the immediate vicinity of its borders, will be denied access to Corfu Base, Freeport Five and Freeport Nine.
Those are the differences.
Oops forgot to add, Make sure you read Doc Holidays reply, That's the guy actually Roleplaying, See how he asks "Or what"
I theorise its because of all these ooc guys "making up events".
What does anyone actually know.
+Rep to vito by the way.
Your interpretation of some of those quotes is different from mine, But you took the time and effort to Give some RP!
EDIT
As a side note, I still supply Corsairs food, I just ignore TBH terrorists, Sort of like anything i do in disco, Avoid the pirates, This is avoid the terrorists, Ill stop supplying food when over 50% of Corsairs Start being terrorists.
Its pretty amazing they have a couple ways into there system, and since my encounter the other day, They havn't been able to even identify my food loads.
And just for you guys, one with food and nomad remains went right past you the other day, Ohh noes poisoned food, Nice big trader it was, BWT im pretty sure, that's alot of poisoned food.
Corsair - Zoner - Grumblesaur - 02-05-2012
Except the Zoners aren't, at this time, individual groups based on single stations. They have battleships and their own 5k transport, not to mention their own Capital AND Snub weapon lines. Waging war on one group is the same as waging war on all of them because Discovery lore has merged them all into one faction.
A small group of colonists would not have been able to establish Gran Canaria. Only large factions with tons of people and resources can settle a planet.
Also, +1.
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-05-2012
"I find it funny how certain people talk about the Corsairs acting on OoRP hate and outside the lore "guidelines" while not having any problems with Zoners going from a hand-full of people on some remote bases to, like Govedo said, having fleets of "rare legendary" ships and claiming to hold their ground against the Corsair forces."
Since you're the rare type of RP guy(You know the one that actually rp's with history, backup, examples), can i challenge you a bit, and get an actual answer?
First
FP's being used to stage corsair attack's
A single player in my view SHOULD be banned from that FP if they are using the FP explicitly for non neutral tactical benefit as this would impair zoner neutrality BUT
A FP CAN NOT in my view ban a faction because some of its members, That would be taking sides
Ive seen food transports come through zoner space to crete... If you guys want to play hostile, That wouldn't happen.
The oorp zoner ships.
Isn't this a case of more players playing zoners so more player ships? But the actual faction (NPC, Bases, etc) hasn't changed. And i know when i first started playing it was hard to become a zoner, From my understanding, During the year i wasn't here Corsairs wanted the zoner alliance disbanded and got there wish? Allowing this FFA zoner outcome?
I don't know about the holding ground bit, If you know of any reading on the subject feel free to link it, Id love to read it.
And the TBH terrorists
Lets put it this way, If we want to play RP as said above, we would stop the shipments in our space, we would cut you off, This won't happen, Why? Because we are neutral, We can no more fire on you than we can on traders.
This makes it in my view TBH Terrorists and anyone joining them Power Gaming. Your creating a "You cant win" Scenario, You are infact attempting to FORCE zoners with no option to comply to your demands, throw as much RP on it as you want, there is no option here, A zoner cant attack you. We can't enact force to stop supply convoys, We cant destroy (in rp or reality) your installations, We cant Gain Ground. We cant hire others do do it for us.
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:I already said it before: If certain Zoners wish to be on neutral to friendly terms with Corsairs then they should open up a comms thread to the Elders/Official factions and prove their worth.
OSI has done it and they are cool... (not with TBH though)
You're Zoners. Be diplomatic... Negotiate.
Cause if you don't we're gonna get old school CR on your butts and squeeze on your spines until they crumble into dust [/Propaganda] (Kaze, Panzer, Pavel, Jansen, & Aphil know what I mean)
So hang on, We were neutral before, Can you link your RP with every zoner showing the change to non neutral?
Or was it a magic change, But you have to re-earn it now with non magic change?
As ive said many times, Im still neutral with Heaps of Corsairs faction and non faction. Maybe you need to link all Corsairs this documentation as well.
Its an honest question no matter how sarcastic my way of asking it sounds.
And Hang about another second... These events, I have it on good authority that they came about through Private RP between selected individuals, Ive had my private RP with many selected individuals, Who are you guys to say private Rp is good enough to "start wars" but not good enough to maintain Neutrality?
The only Corsair im respecting here is Vito, That guy is making some sense, Some well documented sense, Even if i disagree with some aspects.
Corsair - Zoner - Vito - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:But the Corsairs have waged war on Zoners in general. None of them should be feeding you.
No, we didn't. Get your facts right before clicking the "Add Reply" button. A single look on the OSI message dump will prove you wrong, they have been delivering stuff non-stop for the Corsairs in the last couple of days.
Really now, the "Corsairs are starving" argument is getting old. Why aren't the Zoners of Theta suffocating? The same lore you use for the "sairs have no food" argument states that FP9 and Corfu get their Oxigen and Water from Crete (you can find the rumor a few pages back).
I'm disgusted by all those who whine and Q_Q' about this mess and use the vanilla rumors as arguments against the Corsairs while ignoring the rumors regarding the Zoners.
I'm disgusted by all those who say Corsairs can't evolve into something better and stronger while ignoring how the Zoners went from a handful of people in the middle of nowhere to warmongers flying 5k's, gunboats, cruisers and battleships and claiming they can keep their ground against the Corsairs or how factions that didn't even exist got all their stuff.
I'm disgusted by all those who keep bringing up the Zoner neutrality crap while they didn't object a bit when the Omicroners forged an open alliance with the Order and GMG actively hunted BHG-Core and Corsair ships.
I'm disgusted by all those who prefer forum whining instead of doing what the Zoners should be good at: diplomacy! The only example I saw was the OSI request to be excused from the blockade, request which was approved.
I'm disgusted by the attitude that is displayed by a large part of the community, including old and experienced members. The Corsairs didn't come on the forums to whine about how OoRP those daily raids when everything is ignored in the pursuit of a blue text with starting with a Corsair name. We did what needed to be done while staying InRP. We are aware of what consequences our actions might have and we will accept them even if it means losing one of the border bases or getting higher prices for equipment like repair bots or armor upgrades or whatever the Dev team will throw at us.
The question is this: are you ready? Are you ready for Legate swarms in New London or New Berlin? Are you ready for Osiris' or Praefects filling the mining fields in Dublin or Omega 7? Are you ready to see a spam of hostiles every single time you undock from your home planet or station? Answer yourselves those questions and then come here and comment on how OoRP and evil the Corsairs are. Since forever the Corsair Council has placed restrictions on its caps in order not to damage other people's gaming experience and yet not a day passes without a swarm of enemy caps in front of Crete.
If you still think what we are doing is wrong and we're simply over-reacting make a Corsair ships and see for yourself before jumping to conclusions about things you know nothing about.
Yes, I'm mad right now. I snapped because I simply can't take all the crap heading our way for trying to defend our home system using RP methods so I guess I need some sleep to make it all go away.
@spikefin: we never asked for entire NPC factions to be banned from those bases, we only asked for specific factions and groups. We did not even ask for a FR5 because we hoped the at least the official factions will have the decency to respect InRP restrictions.
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:I'm disgusted by all those who keep bringing up the Zoner neutrality crap while they didn't object a bit when the Omicroners forged an open alliance with the Order and GMG actively hunted BHG-Core and Corsair ships.
I wasn't here, But I have posted that im as shocked about the "new factions" Ignoring zoner Neutrality as much as anything.
Im also shocked that they dropped FP NFZ's Because of "To much Paperwork"
Theres plenty the zoners have done/are doing that i agree is well out of zoner lore.
I remember when it used to be hard to become a zoner, and all we had were the reams of paperwork to give us something to do, Dealing with power traders "using" zoner neutrality and zoner ships attacking pirates in isolated locations etc.
@spikefin: we never asked for entire NPC factions to be banned from those bases, we only asked for specific factions and groups. We did not even ask for a FR5 because we hoped the at least the official factions will have the decency to respect InRP restrictions.
Sorry if it sounded like i implied otherwise, I was simply giving my full point of view. Any comments on the rest of the post though?
"I'm disgusted by all those who prefer forum whining instead of doing what the Zoners should be good at: diplomacy! The only example I saw was the OSI request to be excused from the blockade, request which was approved. "
Umm.... wait, I was already Neutral, This in my view Power Gaming By terrorist factions has severely impacted my gameplay... Why exactly should I have to start RPing all over again because of power gamers?
"If you still think what we are doing is wrong and we're simply over-reacting make a Corsair ships and see for yourself before jumping to conclusions about things you know nothing about."
Umm i did, Not saying your wrong, But care to elaborate exactly what i should do to experience the wrong part?
Because I went for a fly to a few freeports, Hung out by crete, Hung out with my Corsair buddies (Cant do it in my zoner ship because of TBH terrorists) I didn't actually experience any issue, I saw and spoke with zoners, I pirated nobody, and shot nothing. In fact, for all intensive purposes I was Breaking the rules, I was a zoner in Corsair ship with Corsair ID and IFF.
Corsair - Zoner - Vito - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:Any comments on the rest of the post though?
Not really. I don't want to sound rude to you but what TBH does is none of my business and they have a Feedback thread to answer your questions.
Corsair - Zoner - spikefin - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:Not really. I don't want to sound rude to you but what TBH does is none of my business and they have a Feedback thread to answer your questions.
I accept your response, But arnt they still flying Corsair Flag? Arnt you a Corsair, Arnt they impacting Corsairs Rep as a general statement?
If they are successful in stopping food access to crete, Isn't it starving your kind?
Maybe im looking at it wrong, But i see ohh so many people lumping you all as Corsairs.
EDIT
I don't mean starving all of your kind btw, but obviously the reduction in food transports would have a theoretical impact
Corsair - Zoner - Dane Summers - 02-05-2012
' Wrote:A small group of colonists would not have been able to establish Gran Canaria. Only large factions with tons of people and resources can settle a planet.
Not really. All it takes is a ship, some tents, a couple barrels of seeds, and a lot of hard work.
If you've got a ton of refugee's, like from, say, Tau31, then it gets easier - many hands make light work.
A city doesn't grow up overnight. And Canaria still has a frontier feel to it.
' Wrote:make a Corsair ships and see for yourself before jumping to conclusions about things you know nothing about.
Planning on it actually. Talked with Bindo last night, and considering either making an indie, or joining a faction. Black Sails, or TBH if they would have me. I value highly the ability to examine things from different perspectives, and tend to get offended by people who don't.