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BH's not welcome in Liberty? - monsterlancer - 07-05-2008
' Wrote://Well in truth i am so PO'd at Liberty, i have scrapped the BC STORMCROW It was a liberty navy ship, and well known in NY. But hell i will no longer support a bunch of power hungry control freak's. No name's they know who they are. The fund's will be used to purchase a pirate vessal,as the pirate's get more support, and are more organized, and better RP player's then the rest of Liberty. I was proud at 1 time to be part of the liberty force's. Thing is leader's are never around so the noob non RP experienced SA/LN run around saying we control liberty. do as we say or die! Get control of your people SA/LN please.
//STORMCROW decomissioned? I was real glad for your help and assistance when I was on as the only Lib Law enforcment on at times. Don't let him do it.
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - Jonathan_Archer_nx01 - 07-05-2008
What the hell is going on there?
It's time the Rheinland fleet showed up in Liberty and investigated this conspiracy.
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - jimmy Patterson - 07-05-2008
//storm im starting to agree with you tho my charcter wont betray liberty yet/ever(yet being if something dosent change but nobosdy know s save for 2 other people whos names wont be said its al loorp at this point) i try to be in rp and the LN/SA are the same entity just in name change process//
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - Walker - 07-05-2008
//The crow decommisioned!? Who is going to chase Medivh now! He is even easier in a whale... Sad ta see ya go!
As for BH's... I think the LSF have a problem with what was it... 4 Battlecruisers OPENING Fire and killing Liberty Lawfuls?
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - mrlance - 07-05-2008
"What's ? LPi are requesting the BHG help and we are not welcome ? I bet with you that I can have a drink almost anywhere inside Liberty, and travel without a single question."
All is about the ship size. Ryoken, dear pal, just talk. Navy boys, dear... hum... navy boys, just talk. A capital ship is not always a threat."
"However, I agree with Flint, the BHG is not a foreign nation, it is a organization paid by organizations. LPi offer reward for assistance to all our ships of Gunboat class or lesser size. The reason is pretty obvious, isn't it ?"
//It is only when both sides are competing for power that oppression as a meaning. Power to fight power is a contest that end with control over the looser. Behind ? Pride and ego on both side.
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - Athenian - 07-05-2008
// Well appears to have become an ooc thread so ...
Quote:As for BH's... I think the LSF have a problem with what was it... 4 Battlecruisers OPENING Fire and killing Liberty Lawfuls?
Yes, but you might remember the BH fighter craft who helped LSF deal with a ridiculous Order attack on West Point yesterday and the cordial relations developing between some of us and those who protect and serve. But then you weren't there. It's best to have all the facts and with us all having different time zones, no one person is ever going to know the whole story.
Those 4 BH BC players were banned/sanctioned for oorp killing if my memory serves me well. And some BH factions put bounties on them for acting like twerps to make sure their last days on the server were miserable and that they knew how we felt about them. You don't see the whole faction diplomacy status being changed because of the rule breaking and sanctionable actions of one or two individuals, now do you? If that was the case then if some oorp LSF id carrying guy attacked, e.g., the LN, then there would be an outright war between both groups and the faction status would change on a daily basis. That is not a compelling reason from a RP point of view.
I think...
1. The Law needs to be clarified
2. We should come to an arrangement whereby large BH ships might be permitted to pass through but only under conditions as laid down by law as quoted above with an additional one - at a request for help by liberty lawful factions. The RP justification is simple and plausible but the BHG should not be regarded as a foreign power: you could determine that the BH vessels cause pollution, or clog up the trade lanes (like a prohibition on heavy traffic in city centres) or Liberty is so crowded that Order spies might try to scan the BH vessels and use that intel against them in the war in the Nomad systems.
3. BHers that do and are trying to RP well shouldn't be subjected to hostilities based on flimsy oorp decisions (like "there are too many BH BC's in the game; BHer just wanna PvP; they think they're the police") This is tarring everyone with the same brush and is, simply put, unfair. The BHG has good relations with Liberty and its forces in RP. People who oorp are doing exactly that - stepping outside the agreed parameters of the game. It's like punching someone during a chess game.
4. People in BH capships need to be aware of the proposed id changes which will see anything bigger than a GB moved outside the House systems.
5. This be settled amicably as we are all playing a game together. Chill out. Sort things out in RP or in PM but watch your tone. Aggression solves nothing.
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - Colonel Z.e.r.o. - 07-05-2008
' Wrote:...incoming message...
...BHG channel open...
To all fellow BH's. This is the bounty hunter destroyer SKULL. It seem the higher up's in Liberty(LSF/SA/LN) have decided they want no BH vessal's in liberty space. They surrounded the Bounty hunter vessal SKULL, and threatened to open fire if i did not leave their territory. No foreign war ship's are allowed in liberty space i have been told. So no fighter's/bomber's/gunship's/gunboat's/destroyer's/battle cruiser's, and battleship's, as these are all war ship's/ship's of war.
So at this point i call out to all Bounty hunter's to leave liberty space, and let them deal with their own pirate infestation,and let the order, and Nomad's do as they wish in Liberty space. I am not anybody's commanding officer, nor to i pretend to be. This is a call for all bounty hunter's to unite, and leave liberty problem's to libertonian's.
Bounty hunter SKULL out......
...End transmission....
//OOC Note in screen's where even another player confirm's he said "ALL FORIEGN WARSHIP's" and was also saying he did not say all cap's.
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x238/ryoken12/screen1.jpg
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x238/ryoken12/screen2.jpg
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I say they wish no help? we as a group sit, and watch as the pirate's take oven NY(like they have done last 3 night's).
PS. This was RP, and no offence meant to any involved.
**Incoming transmission**
I'll violate at anytime let em see the cap.
End Transmission**
Technically the BH destroyer was constructed in the liberty mility shipyards.....so I don't know if it can be called a "foreign" warship.
(//Kinda like the Latinos of north America are more native than the blacks or whites.)
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - Colonel Z.e.r.o. - 07-05-2008
' Wrote:Here is the really stupid part about it.This is very true. As a matter of a fact I helped a rather badly equipped Rhineland Police IDed fellow rid new berlin of a "junker" in a dragon GB.
Foreign refers to Houses, it should not refer to BH as they are EMPLOYED by the government.
This outranks even the Navy.
That is the RP of it, or are the SA attempting to rewrite the RP allowances and background of the Bounty Hunters?
DarkWing put into effect a while ago our Exclusion Orders which mean that we will not initiate any combat while in the Capital systems. The only reasons our weapon systems will be engaged is due to either chasing a KOS or Bounty target or if someone attacks us. But Liberty has been doing this sort of action with increased frequency for almost the last year. They think they are displaying control when in actually they are opening Liberty to increased pirate attacks. Over the course of 3 days straight Liberty and Rheinland fell to pirate control. Have they bought a clue, I doubt it. They do not understand that the Bounty Hunters can act like a National Guard for assisting the Lawful forces against Unlawful forces. But for some reason the Navy's wish to treat the Bounty Hunters no better then the Pirates. You know what the difference is? Bounty Hunters will listen to their stupidity and leave. Pirates wont even let them finish the first sentence.
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - SevereTrinity - 07-05-2008
// It seems you all need some clearing up, I am the captain of the Arkansas, and, the reason I told you too move, is because, how would you like a foreign warship outside your capitol planet, especially when you don't know where his allegiance lies, all it takes is for someone to pay you and you will start killing everything in sight, plus, how do we know someone isn't after you? think about all the civilians who might have been caught in the crossfire, and I didn't say leave Liberty, I asked you politely to move away from manhattan orbit.
// Also, do not say Liberty cannot RP because we RPed you having to move your BHG Destroyer away from Manhattan, we RPed it all the way through, I don't believe we said anything ooRP, so before you insult our RP, make sure you have evidence, and never did I say anything along the lines of 'Move or die!', I said 'Skull, please move your foreign warship away from Manhattan orbit'
// Next time you try to take incriminating screen shots, make sure you take screen shots of the whole conversation, not just tiny parts of it, Mkay?
BH's not welcome in Liberty? - Jinx - 07-05-2008
from: cheshire
to: captain of the arkansas
"the guild is operating in close cooperation with every nations goverment, except the kusari goverment. it is highly unlikely that the guild would turn against a house force. although it is basicly not impossible it would take another house goverment or cooperation to pay more cash than they can afford to make the guild turn against another lawful house.
as you might have seen - the guild does not even take up sides in the bretonian / kusari conflict, - that we agree on - is a state of open warfare. i am at a loss how the liberty navy forces think that it only takes someone to pay the guild some money to turn the guild against liberty. - this thought is as far fetched as thinking that the xenos have knowledge about hyperjumpgates - although it adds to the impression of a goverment gone paranoid.
if your point of view is indeed shared by the highest ranking officers within the navy, the guild and the navy might have a problem in the future - and ... as i must insist, it is not the guilds fault that things got ugly. the guild has standards to uphold, standards to keep a neutrality based on the lawful side of each house goverment. - a standard that appears to wane within the houses own navy when they forget how the guild operates, considering that we have been working in close cooperation for decades if not centuries.
Cheshire out"
edit: // - sometimes i don t really know when players mix their playerwish ( to ban the BHG warships ) with their characters wishes. - might sometimes wanne differentiate a little more.