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RE: AI Storyline - Treewyrm - 03-19-2014
(03-19-2014, 10:30 PM)HassLHoFF Wrote:(03-19-2014, 10:25 PM)Treewyrm Wrote: Initially I was writing a well-intended decently sized reply, going point-by-point and case-by-case, but then realized that it would be of no use and instead more likely to get responses accusing of bias, so I'll quietly vote "blank" choice 2.
We also have thought about it. It should be regulated that travels like this are not possible for biologic organisms.
May I ask what does your reply have anything to do with what you have quoted? Because the only reason I made the post here is to merely give a formal explanation as to why I made 'blank' vote, and that is all.
RE: AI Storyline - HassLHoFF™ - 03-19-2014
(03-19-2014, 10:37 PM)Treewyrm Wrote:(03-19-2014, 10:30 PM)HassLHoFF Wrote:(03-19-2014, 10:25 PM)Treewyrm Wrote: Initially I was writing a well-intended decently sized reply, going point-by-point and case-by-case, but then realized that it would be of no use and instead more likely to get responses accusing of bias, so I'll quietly vote "blank" choice 2.
We also have thought about it. It should be regulated that travels like this are not possible for biologic organisms.
May I ask what does your reply have anything to do with what you have quoted? Because the only reason I made the post here is to merely give a formal explanation as to why I made 'blank' vote, and that is all.
Just accidently quoted wrong.
RE: AI Storyline - Treewyrm - 03-19-2014
Hmm, are you suggesting to place this 'veto' claim to overall "dimensional stuff"? It does seem to be a too big subject with very far-going repercussions. I would advise to find more elegant solution that would not invoke such fundamentally game-universe altering methods.
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Within game-universe design process such fundamental subjects are typically defined at the beginning as they can easily have strong influence over many other subjects altering them in intent and behavior. This usually goes in early stages when it is being decided what game universe will be, will it be realistic, pseudo-realistic but to what degree, whether it'll be futuristic sci-fi or a fantasy genre, or may be a mix of the two but then in what ways would they entwine. Those things aren't added later simply because of how impactful they are on so many subjects within. It is in the same category if we suddenly decide that classic magic, like casting fireballs and raising dead, is a part of this game universe - it changes everything.
RE: AI Storyline - HassLHoFF™ - 03-19-2014
(03-19-2014, 10:46 PM)Treewyrm Wrote: Hmm, are you suggesting to place this 'veto' claim to overall "dimensional stuff"? It does seem to be a too big subject with very far-going repercussions. I would advise to find more elegant solution that would not invoke such fundamentally game-universe altering methods.
This storyline is planned to co-exist and evolve beside the current "official" storyline and should not affect it at all. Even though it will affect indidual groups, factions and chars who like to participate and follow it.
RE: AI Storyline - Narcotic - 03-19-2014
(03-19-2014, 09:34 PM)Yamamoto Wrote: Well, actually, take this no as a yes. Sometimes the forums like to mess with me, hue
Fixed.
RE: AI Storyline - Treewyrm - 03-19-2014
Color me very highly skeptical regarding it having no effect at all.
To hypothetically drive the subject closer to a bias area: what if I were to have nomads looking for their makers and this time they'd pick to go another dimension? It's just a purely hypothetical scenario, an option. But by going to claim that organics can't do such thing you would deny that story development. I could definitely see this "dimensional travel business" having more repercussions than you could think even within the constraints of exclusivity for AI.
RE: AI Storyline - HassLHoFF™ - 03-19-2014
(03-19-2014, 11:10 PM)Treewyrm Wrote: Color me very highly skeptical regarding it having no effect at all.
To hypothetically drive the subject closer to a bias area: what if I were to have nomads looking for their makers and this time they'd pick to go another dimension? It's just a purely hypothetical scenario, an option. But by going to claim that organics can't do such thing you would deny that story development. I could definitely see this "dimensional travel business" having more repercussions than you could think even within the constraints of exclusivity for AI.
Sure, if you potentially going that way with the story development of the K'hara it will cause a problem for regulating lulzy usage of that transdimensional RP by basically saying biologic organsism can't travel from a dimension to another.
Even though there are more options to regulate that inRP
Furthermore we see this more like a one-way ticket as we used the technology of nymalis to enter this dimension.
RE: AI Storyline - Vicho Deivis - 03-20-2014
The lore need other kind of chages. For example:
1) If the dimensional gates are necesary to travel to another dimension How the AIs reach this dimension? The onlys Dimensions with gates are already eated so or you change it for the lore or you found a solution to access dimensions without a gate. Then why the dimensional Snorlax can't come here and eat us all?
2) Change the part of the "swarm of the side of a galaxy." Is not credible and if you want to include it there are some question than need to be answer like. How do you get the resources? Galaxies are so big because they are basicaly empty so there are two options: a) The olds AI controled many galaxies, so they know how to travel galactic distances with little problem an this needs to be part of the lore one way or another. b) The laws of physics was diferent in your dimension. In that case How the hell the AI techology works here?
3) Why the alfa code doesn't afect organics? Humans, Nomads or any ET. They are magic or something? Because if the solution is make computers with organic components we are all saved.
4) If the Alfa code is transmited from another dimension to this one. Why after the initial infection needs to be spread by normal hacking means? Why isn't everywere?
5) Why all need to happen on Sirius? A small portion of a small Galaxy in a ridiculously huge? The consensus ship landed here, fine. But why the Sov'regin are important and not a random infested AI in Andromeda? Or Magallanes, an even smaller Galaxy than ours without even shape? Or a lonely star lost in the void betwen the Galaxies? Why the gate can not be build somewhere else without you even know it? The first time I ask you say than I've to wait but the Sov'regin are not good enought to solve this question. Not ofense guys.
All this can be resolve. My recomendation is to forget the stuff of other dimensions and say than you come from another Galaxy. Maybe look for something than really exist for a change*.
* Sirius in reality is only a blue Star a few light years away from us. No cluster, no nebulas no nothing. Just a close neighbor.
RE: AI Storyline - HassLHoFF™ - 03-20-2014
(03-20-2014, 04:01 AM)Vicho Deivis Wrote: The lore need other kind of chages. For example:
1) If the dimensional gates are necesary to travel to another dimension How the AIs reach this dimension? The onlys Dimensions with gates are already eated so or you change it for the lore or you found a solution to access dimensions without a gate. Then why the dimensional Snorlax can't come here and eat us all?
2) Change the part of the "swarm of the side of a galaxy." Is not credible and if you want to include it there are some question than need to be answer like. How do you get the resources? Galaxies are so big because they are basicaly empty so there are two options: a) The olds AI controled many galaxies, so they know how to travel galactic distances with little problem an this needs to be part of the lore one way or another. b) The laws of physics was diferent in your dimension. In that case How the hell the AI techology works here?
3) Why the alfa code doesn't afect organics? Humans, Nomads or any ET. They are magic or something? Because if the solution is make computers with organic components we are all saved.
4) If the Alfa code is transmited from another dimension to this one. Why after the initial infection needs to be spread by normal hacking means? Why isn't everywere?
5) Why all need to happen on Sirius? A small portion of a small Galaxy in a ridiculously huge? The consensus ship landed here, fine. But why the Sov'regin are important and not a random infested AI in Andromeda? Or Magallanes, an even smaller Galaxy than ours without even shape? Or a lonely star lost in the void betwen the Galaxies? Why the gate can not be build somewhere else without you even know it? The first time I ask you say than I've to wait but the Sov'regin are not good enought to solve this question. Not ofense guys.
All this can be resolve. My recomendation is to forget the stuff of other dimensions and say than you come from another Galaxy. Maybe look for something than really exist for a change*.
* Sirius in reality is only a blue Star a few light years away from us. No cluster, no nebulas no nothing. Just a close neighbor.
1. As it is a one-way ticket and the AIs used the Gate that were constructed by the infected i don't see the problem you are talking about. The entity simply can't jump by itself, because it isn't in his physical nature.
2. Yes, the AIs dominated more than one galaxy.
3. Because it won't limit itself by the fugaciousness of biologic life-forms.
4. Because it is the storyline that it arrived in sirius and the approach of the code is like a random pandemia with a first host as first subject. if you claiming it that way. Why are nomads in sirius on not anywhere else in the universe?
Saying we came from another galaxy and not from another dimension doesn't make a difference at all for us individually, but makes the whole storyline corrupt and obsolete.
It disappoints me that you want to participate in the AI Consensus, but it seems you haven't read the lore in detail.
RE: AI Storyline - Pancakes - 03-20-2014
If you want my honest belief - Discovery's lore is fit enough for AIs to find a good, "mystical" even, niche within current lore without adding parallel universe thing.
What you propose is the type of a thing that would float in Phooms and NovaPG days, not within the current Discovery standards.
Don't take my snarky criticism as offensive, telling you my opinion, and how things are going around here for a while.