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RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Vredes - 08-05-2014
Tell your rookies to stop RPing the revolutionaries and start playing pirates. Whats wrong with criminal organizations trying to be some kind of freedom fighters? We are left with no classic pirate faction, but terrorists and etc.
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Leppy - 08-05-2014
(08-05-2014, 10:39 PM)Vredes Wrote: Tell your rookies to stop RPing the revolutionaries and start playing pirates. Whats wrong with criminal organizations trying to be some kind of freedom fighters? We are left with no classic pirate faction, but terrorists and etc.
That's the fun of a faction like the Rogues mate. They're a loose enough conglomerate that players can RP either one of those roles or even both at once if they want. It would be fully inRP for a Rogue.
OT, I honestly love the idea you have for LR Narcotic. My advice is to keep trying. If I had to guess, you're just dealing with a combination of being the underdog and the declining player base; changing your faction RP might actually make things worse for yourself.
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Foochow - 08-06-2014
Sadly, in a bad way now.
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Curios - 08-06-2014
I see Rogues as a faction that wants to be what it isn't, honestly. Also rarely positive - maybe just me.
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Flash™ - 08-06-2014
(08-06-2014, 05:44 AM)Curios Wrote: I see Rogues as a faction that wants to be what it isn't, honestly. Also rarely positive - maybe just me.
That ^ ( Not the stuff after the first sentence )
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Ayatolah - 08-06-2014
while enjoyed the encounters, i never finished understanding the rogues as the previous post says, technically are pirates, not revolutionaires, while i can understand somehow that some goes that way. Still if they want to do such they should had RP basis to do so, and for the little i know about the Rogues, they don't have a cause of sorts. Then what remains, pirates, attemps of pirates and rebels without a cause
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Mímir - 08-06-2014
(08-05-2014, 06:39 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: I think part of the problem is that the role of the "happy go lucky pirate" in Liberty has been usurped from the Rogues by the generic Pirate ID.
I disagree. I see more Rogues and Outcasts in Liberty than I see independent pirates.
Maybe the current rogues suffer from indecisiveness after the void of the previous extremely charismatic leader? Do we continue the zealous path and shoot Outcast caps and "police" indie pirates? If we shun them, then how do we survive the LNS / lawful onslaught, when there are no Reavers and we are few in numbers? All I know for sure is that I rarely see Rogues online.
I think the best thing would be to break with the ideas of old. If Rogues are going to have success in-rp and oorp, they need strength in numbers - and one way to get that is through allies. I would love it if LR- took a more active role, perhaps took leadership (in a non-elitist, non-dickwaving fashion) when Outcast caps are in town, and worked together to take out LNS'ers, to the enjoyment of all parties and so on and so forth.
It is definitely clear that the request to have independent pirates barred from rogue stations haven't had a positive impact on neither the Rogues as an NPC-faction or the LR-.
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - VoluptaBox - 08-06-2014
Just to point out something. Reavers are, or at least trying to be, around. But there's no LR BB. We'd actually love that. I was planning to get in contact with the Rogues when I had the time, to discuss a contract.
But it will come in time (soontm).
Besides that, I like your idea.
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Hachez - 08-06-2014
Quote:How do you see the Liberty Rogues?
Tbh I can't remember meeting any for about a year or so. But since I'd love to help, here are some comments on how I think things could be improved anyway. Please don't take it too harshly and personal, the main points of criticism are you just doing/saying what others have set the course for.
(08-05-2014, 06:31 PM)Narcotic Wrote: I've led LR- since almost one and a half years, and never cared to occupy the inRP leading position myself. I wanted to keep it open for interested new players, as in my opinion, they tend to cause more activity and fun roleplay, instead of old farts calling themselves "Disco Vets" and experienced faction leaders.
It's good that you say you don't want to behave like a discovet oldfart, but by only OORPly occupying the positions you do exactly what they do: you occupy a position for the sake of occupying it, without fulfilling what the position would require. Lack of IRP leadership is automatically followed by lack of motivation for people to join for other reasons than giving you some oorp personal support or some imaginary power or something. Seriously, why would anyone want to join a faction that doesn't even have a leader that is motivated enough to RP as a leader (doesn't take it too personal, this goes for every official faction that keeps passing leadership to oldfarts while failing to motivate new blood).
(08-05-2014, 06:31 PM)Narcotic Wrote: The Rogues never were a hyped faction, and new applications occurred not that very often.
When I ask myself "why would I apply", the answer wont be "because it promises fun and activity", but only "I would accept to follow the oorp whims of some guy and get to police some other guys if I'm lucky". No reason to apply for a lot of people.
(08-05-2014, 06:31 PM)Narcotic Wrote: Rogues are everything but an elite pro 1337 super agent spec ops group. I consider at least 90% of them being just plain dumb rookies who get killed en masse by LolNS like flies. They fly bulky cheap ships with dubious tactics, like going kamikaze no matter the costs. They make pointless demands to traders. Call themselves happy when pirating 100.000/day, as that'll ensure them some nice booze in 'Traz bars for at least a month. They break faction rules on a daily basis without anyone giving a damn about monitoring. They'd cheat or even hurt each other for a penny. I tried to encourage such "lulz RP" with achievements. However, most attempts failed with a ragequit, thanks to Lolberty attitude.
In a nutshell; they're a messy bunch of mentally limited criminals lacking any form of organization and morals with the only goal to achieve wealth. And Lolberty is the perfect environment for them. At least that is inRP. On the ooRP side of the coin, it looks a bit different;
People don't like being ganked. Outnumbered, with comparable weak tech. Liberty is a paradise for cap spams, and flying the mandatory armorless Greyhound (failed brother of the Wraith) is hell.
Again, great how you describe your theoretical LR and that you don't try to be superl33t like some people, but what you say right after that does the same mistakes as them: you start complaining about things that will NEVER change because they are the NATURAL thing to do for anyone who plays a computer game, and the NATURAL irp thing to do too. Instead of adapting to these things, you complain about them with a holier-than thou attitude, and make yourself and rogues suffer even more by flying mandatory armorless Greyhounds to show how much you are different and l33t, only so you can complain even more that other players do the natural thing instead.
What you should do is ADAPT to the situation instead of making it worse by going into a pointless endeavor to change it. Don't tell your members to fly armorless greyhounds and whine about how other players don't act the same. Instead of teaching them to get themselves into hopeless situations and then whine about it, teach them how to be clever and avoid those situations. Teach them how to be quick, well organized, and that running and surviving a situation is a greater win than the "fly to enemy fleet, ask them to be fair and let you kill their weakest ship, get blue message or whine about gank" principle.
Again, don't take this personal, you're just following the idiotic example that others have set.
(08-05-2014, 06:31 PM)Narcotic Wrote: The point I'm trying to make is, to ask the community what their image of the Rogues is. How they're supposed to be run/played. I for one, prefer the old-school ways. However, maybe I'm missing something that people (also members) would like to see from the Rogues. Unfortunately, feedback threads are rarely used for their actual purpose, so I'll ask you here for your honest opinions.[/align]
tl;dr What would you like to see from the Liberty Rogues?
If you don't wanna RP as the leader, don't be the leader. Don't hold the position just to make sure that no one who doesn't play following some of the idiotic principles of the discovets gets it. Someone like that leading factions is actually the best thing that could happen to discovery to raise activity. If you wanna stay leader, let people have fun instead of teaching them to fly armorless Greyhounds and whine.
RE: How do you see the Liberty Rogues? - Bauer - 08-06-2014
As a member of the LR, I've always viewed the LR as a not super serious, lulzy faction. Most of the time we should be running away at the sight of trouble. We're people who want to make money, and not get shot in the process. But sometimes we also need to be serious and (attempt to be) deadly, perhaps when going out hunting for LNS.
(08-06-2014, 10:34 AM)VoluptaBox Wrote: Just to point out something. Reavers are, or at least trying to be, around. But there's no LR BB. We'd actually love that. I was planning to get in contact with the Rogues when I had the time, to discuss a contract.
But it will come in time (soontm).
Besides that, I like your idea.
I'd love to hear any ideas you have for the LR BB. The reason it was stopped was because we just couldn't afford it anymore. It'd be nice to get it running again though.
Also, hi Hachez Karlotta.