(08-19-2018, 10:00 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: or the fact that the Sci-Data codenames for snubs are generally better while the Sci-Data codenames for battleships don't break the Pulse/Primary+Hellbore meta and only work well for non-duel combat, but those are rather minor issues that sort of are acceptable.

(08-19-2018, 07:46 AM)Markam Wrote: 1) Increase health substantially
+Simple, blunt solution
-Significantly effects other balance, anti cap weaponry would need to be adjusted heavily

(08-19-2018, 07:46 AM)Markam Wrote: 2) Decrease refire rates on Battleship weaponry; i.e Primaries Fire once every 20 seconds, like a volley; be nice if there would be a countdown too
+Even with current battleship stats, fights would be significantly slower
+Cements battleships role as anti-battleship, as their guns are ineffective against anything else
-Larger battleships are going to find it harder to hit anything at range, so something else must be changed to offset this disadvantage

(08-19-2018, 07:46 AM)Markam Wrote: 3) Restrict firing arcs on guns/slow turret speed
+Less firepower can be used simultaneously, lowering dps, making fights slower
-+Makes combat more complex, with certain angles being favoured, more blind spots

(08-19-2018, 07:46 AM)Markam Wrote: 4) Decrease Battleship impulse speed/turning speed
+Being less able to maneuver/close in on opponents slows down combat, depending on the changes, a battleship will joust another battleship, and then have to spend time turning around to line up again
-Being so slow essentially makes battleships sitting ducks against most else, so increasing health may be a ideal trade off

(08-19-2018, 07:46 AM)Markam Wrote: 5) Removal of special weapons
Pulses, mortars, missiles etc, reducing battleships to mostly primaries/secondaries, removing the forward gun from the valor (say its inrp only anti-base gun)
+Goes without saying that combat is slower without pulses and mortars
-Arguably less variety, less interesting to some, and it is of course a little disrespectful for all the work done in relation to these weapons

(08-19-2018, 08:14 AM)Markam Wrote: To the two who replied with "No.", I think its fair to say your posts are less than productive at best, at worst spam, and disrespectful of others viewpoints.

Quote:1) increasing health? a valor iwth cau8 has around 10mill suitability.
2) primary refire is 2.0, hellbore/monsmeg is 0.67. battleship guns are already one of the slowest refire weapons in the game
3) Many ships have restricted firing arcs already
4) battleships don't have thrusters and move around at the slowest speed of any ship
5) removing mortars, pulses and missles will make the combat boring and tiresome
6) battleships turn the slowest
i've seen a pattern in your ideas. 'Make combat slower"
a battleship 1v1 fight takes well over 20min.
a fleet fight takes significantly lower time because of muiltiple dmage sources.
gimping battleship damage will only make cruisers, battlecruisers and bombers that much more powerful.

Thank you for writing more than 2 letters, although I don't agree with your counter-arguments. Just because they are "already" the slowest in obvious comparison to others, does not prove anything.

On your point of length in 1v1 vs fleet engagements, perhaps this is the root of the issue, are Battleships really supposed to fight 1v1? Is freelancer discovery all about Conn? Isn't INRP fleet combat the main draw? It's supposed to be epic, but it feels quite flat to me.

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Quote:I don't really see how these changes would benefit Battleship combat.

To me this would drag out battles even longer and leave battleships defenseless against small and maneuverable ships.

Yeah, but think, 1) Should destroying a battleship be quick? 2) Are battleships really able to defend themselves that well now? Battleships were always the ship that smaller ships could simply swarm. 3) I feel that battleships should be purely anti-battleship, and fleet engagements, rather than 1v1 should be the basis for their balance.

(08-19-2018, 10:57 AM)Thunderer Wrote: Buy a Dunkirk and return to ye olde BAF, and I'll show you all you need to know about battleships. There's so many pretty interesting details about battleship PvP currently, and I think that what you have proposed would rather simplify combat than diversify it. I'd prefer not to explain those details here and now, though, because explaining only one of them took a whole wall of text.

• Back to topic: Cap battles are long enough. Caps are slow enough as is. So, Mr. Markam, the only thing to do really is to get 2-3 others to join you in heavy snubs and practice working in unison to match or take down a Cap ship. No single snub or gunboat should ever be a threat to Battle Ships PvP. That would throw Freelancer way off balance and let criminal factions run amuck with the lack of players at some time zones.