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Mollys and their diplomacy - farmerman - 02-16-2009
I think the Gaian/FA thing makes sense - both can be seen to dislike changes to planets. The Gaians obviously, and the FA due to the required Synth Foods changes that are encroaching on them. Though with that in mind, the LWB should be there, too. Certainly they're closer to the Gaians than the Hogosha.
As to Gaians/Corsairs, isn't that getting addressed in 4.85?
Mollys and their diplomacy - Drake - 02-16-2009
' Wrote:I think the Gaian/FA thing makes sense - both can be seen to dislike changes to planets. The Gaians obviously, and the FA due to the required Synth Foods changes that are encroaching on them. Though with that in mind, the LWB should be there, too. Certainly they're closer to the Gaians than the Hogosha.Is it?
As to Gaians/Corsairs, isn't that getting addressed in 4.85?
And the thing about the AFA and LWB is, they're farmers. They farm on a very large scale, like, large portions of their respective planets. Wide-scale farming screws up natural ecosystems a lot. Heck, even a single modern farm can screw up the local ecosystem a fair bit, and that's not even including the clear-cutting of forests and displacement of widelife which may have gone into constructing that farm in the first place. Farmers don't mean ecological-friendly. The AFA and LWB hate Synth Foods for taking their jobs, not for messing up their planets.
Mollys and their diplomacy - Jihadjoe - 02-16-2009
' Wrote:As to Gaians/Corsairs, isn't that getting addressed in 4.85?
I actualy hadn't thought of it that way round... Are the Gaians losing their corsair backing? If so that would mean the Mollies had no problem with them whatsoever, and the gaians no issue with the mollies.
Mollys and their diplomacy - Blodo - 02-16-2009
I agree about the whole Corsair/Outcast split. The world isn't black and white, and neither should this universe be. If one unlawful faction is shooting just Corsairs or Outcasts, it doesn't mean it should automatically be friends with the other faction, it's rather ridiculous especially considering that a fair few unlawful factions are more ideological than others and probably wouldn't like Corsairs nor Outcasts much at all.
Mollys and their diplomacy - BaconSoda - 02-16-2009
About the Rogues, if you check Montezuma and other such bases, you'll notice one important thing: Gold. As such, we can assume that the Mollies smuggle gold into Liberty via the Rogues and that is an important economic practice for both parties.
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' Wrote:Is it?
And the thing about the AFA and LWB is, they're farmers. They farm on a very large scale, like, large portions of their respective planets. Wide-scale farming screws up natural ecosystems a lot. Heck, even a single modern farm can screw up the local ecosystem a fair bit, and that's not even including the clear-cutting of forests and displacement of widelife which may have gone into constructing that farm in the first place. Farmers don't mean ecological-friendly. The AFA and LWB hate Synth Foods for taking their jobs, not for messing up their planets.
Simply put, you're wrong. The FA hates Synth Foods for lowering prices of Kyushu and Junyo foods to compete, and for inviting all sorts of outside influences into Kusari and the LWB hates Synth Foods for taking Stuttgart and them pumping it full of heavy-duty fertilizers and terraforming gases. In fact, some LWB doubt that Stuttgart could actually grow traditional crops anymore because some of the remaining independent farmers are reporting that their crops are failing. There is more to it than just "Dey tuk er jerbs!"
EDIT 2: Actually, Synth Foods hasn't laid a hand on Kyushu, they're just selling paste in Kusari. Kyushu is still owned by independent farmers.
Mollys and their diplomacy - farmerman - 02-16-2009
Actually, that IS one reason the LWB dislikes Synth Foods. The fertilizers and such that support synth's crops have made it so even if they're independent, that's basically all they can grow.
But being that the Gaians are tied with Cambridge, Bretonia's farm-heavy planet, I always took it that, not sure how else to put it, but organic farming would not be something they were opposed to. It's the compositional changes that are bad like pumping terraforming gasses in.
That all said, I'm not sure why the Gaians and the Mollys are enemies. It seems like both would have more important things to worry about than each other.
Mollys and their diplomacy - Markam - 02-16-2009
The gaians are not brutal terrorists at all, they're infact quite soft terrorists, some drifting into even piracy, the BPA/BAF rumors point to engagement rules against Gaians to being wildly varied "shoot on sight" to "watch them as they protest" as gaians are Bretonian citizens first and foremost, and smart ones at that.
Which means it makes no sense they're very friendly to KNF, they might ignore eachother and shoot at BAF, but not allied or barely neutral, though i doubt Gaians really want Kusari to win, as they would be no better.
Bluntpencil brought up a good point a while ago that the teraforming of Gaia would be a huge dent to Synth foods business within Bretonia, with Gaia being a possible food producer, and therefore AFA being friendly to Gaians is very wrong in RP. Gaians are really the billy no mates of Bretonia, like the xenos, their goals are lofty and dont have much support. Corsairs I'm not sure, but they're the most likely ally for the Gaians, with the younger gaians becoming more pirate'y and the corsairs wanting somewhere to base, and more pressure on the mollies, though i'm unsure the Gaians give a damn.
Gaians might want to hold onto their allies though, but allies are overated I tells ya! Xeno's are bloody good fun.
...wait, isnt this a thread about mollies?
Mollys and their diplomacy - Drake - 02-16-2009
My mistake about the AFA/LWB, though Synth Foods undercutting the AFA prices amounts to pretty much the same thing as taking their jobs. They can claim that they dislike Synth Foods because of the corrupting outsider influence, but the loss of business probably has at least as much to do with it.
The Gaians are so fanatical (at least, the Gaians who are more than just pirates) that they violently object to terraforming lifeless balls of rock into habitable planets. How could they not object to the ecological destruction caused by wide-scale farming?
Mollys and their diplomacy - farmerman - 02-16-2009
I may be mistaken, but I don't think Synth is even in Bretonia, as Cambridge is providing enough non-paste food. Plus Planet Gaia doesn't need terraforming, as it's already good to go, other than all the explodings and Cambridge University stuff. The one rumors are about how the Gaians are dumb for not letting them expand to there.
That said, there seems to be a lot of variety in how hardcore or otherwise the Gaians are. At the very least, working with the KNF should be because of convenience only, but if you're getting assistance, why rock the boat?
Isn't that the same idea as the Mollys and Bretonia? The Mollys want the Brets out of Dublin, but if Kusari conquers it all, they're no better off. But if they help out, it could further their claims, right?
As a further thought with the Gaians and Mollys, I think the hostile side of neutral makes more sense than full blown enemies.
Mollys and their diplomacy - Derkylos - 02-16-2009
I think the Molly-Outcast alliance is wobbly at best, as pointed out, Outcasts are neutral to Bretonia, which isn't gonna do their image any favours in Dublin.
Hessians and Mollys share a common background and a common enemy, and a friendship, at least, would be profitable for both sides in reducing Corsair expansion.
Rogues share technology with Mollys, and also deal with their smuggling (as they actually deal with pretty much everyone's smuggling, I could see Rogues with a much more neutral repsheet with respect to pirate groups..."Corsairs? Well, you don't like Liberty, so, meh...")
At a stretch, one could argue that Mollys, being originally a part of BMM, offer as much a threat to Gaia's ecosystem as the Bretonian mining corporation...
As for the Kusari/Bretonia war, Mollys are nationalists at heart, similar to the vanilla Rheinland/Bundschuh/GMG relations, ie: "kill off the bigger threat before returning to our internal squabbles", a stance I could see the Gaians taking up much more easily than "let's join with the outside aggressors, whose true agenda is unknown."
At least when dealing with the Bretonian government, they have a history and something to build on (Gaians even have a legitimate political presence: the Green Party, while the Mollys, admittedly, are not quite so well recieved...), whereas with Kusari, they would have to work up from scratch.