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Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - Dieter Schprokets - 03-04-2009
Why not keep the BH GS, though?
Its not a great choice, but its still the best of bad fits.
There may be BH ID issues in the next mod, but seriously, MM has BH Tag, merc ID... What, really, is closer?
I mean, nobody gives us hell for having a BH tag, merc ID, and BH GS now...
Wait till we get sanction reports come in with BH tag, merc ID, and OC GB..
Personally, I'd keep them. (BH GS) : Worst answer except for all the rest.
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - Jinx - 03-04-2009
the problem you might encounter is .....
just like the zoner GB - the BHG gunship is designed to kill bombers - and nothing as big as itself or bigger. - furthermore, the BHG has had trouble justifying their capital ships anywhere but in the omicrons - which doesn t exactly include the gunship... but when taken seriously - all warships ( gunship and bigger ) are meant for the order war.
with that in mind - the BHG supplies not their BHG members much with it, but its the core that makes use of it. - and the core is much like a house faction - or stricter. - you should only see BHGs in BHG ships, especially warships.
as much as you should only see dragons in dragon ships, liberty navy in lib navy ships etc.
it is a curse of the generic factions that they don t have dedicated gear. - but they pay for their relative freedom by ... well... with usually a greater choice of gear, but usually lower grade gear. - BHGs cannot work for unlawfuls and have trouble getting their ships through even neutral space.
i do not think that they are delighted to see ppl that sometimes even take contracts and act hostile towards them to fly their ships. - it would be like a freelancer flying a praetorian - against the corsairs.
if you fly their ships ( applies to ALL factions whos ships you fly ) - you don t take a contract or do any hostile action against them.
so when you fly outcast gunboats - you don t kill outcasts
when you fly liberty gunboats, you don t kill libertonians
if you fly BHG ships, you don t kill BHGs
etc.
the BHG are not zoners, and even zoners take it personally when their gear is purchased by people that might turn it against them. - the BHG however is a military force. - they will ( like any other military force ) make sure never to sell gear to someone that might turn it against them... and their ships are among the most advanced due to having extended combat experience as well as a lot of money to found research and construction of warships.
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - Thexare - 03-04-2009
' Wrote:The Kusari Explorer is a no go also (I had forgot). We're outlaws in Kusari space, so there's no way we can get our hands in that ship.GMG? The infocard says they make the most use of it, so you might be able to work something out there, maybe. I'm not sure exactly what your relationship with them is, though...
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - DragonLancer - 03-04-2009
Stick to the BHG stuff and keep it going as usual, as Dieter already said.
On the other side - please don't get it wrong - the Mandalorians themselves don't belong here.
It's a starwars/freeworlds-mod faction with thier own ships and system.
And on an addional other side, why picking the so called 'best' ships?
I saw and encountered you guys in civilian ships. Pretty good to me.
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - NonSequitor - 03-04-2009
I echo Jinx's thoughts concerning the use of BH ships. The BH tend to keep a wary eye on mercs as it is. In light of this, having the BH selling the Mandalorians ships and guns seems out of the question. If you were squarely on the lawful side, the situation would be different.
And the BH gs will be relatively anemic anyway (sorry Jinx, nothing personal). Other gunboats will have it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The tragic rise and fall of the lowly BH gunship. Spank you very much, anti-BH lobby. But that's a subject for an entirely different thread.
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - Jinx - 03-04-2009
the "loss" of the gunship might weigh quite heavily - but the BHG gets an improved orca ( smaller, more compact with a forward gun that is very well placed ( compared to the current one ) - so the BHG doesn t loose much. - we ll just see more orcas than gunships.
and believe me, the gunship is a bomberkiller. - bomberpilots will curse it.
now - what we do miss is a really generic / civilian gunboat - but part of the reason we dont have something like that anymore is - that "generic" as a term and a way to RP is less popular among most it seems. - that is why generic traders were nerft, generic pirates are unpopular, freelancers are somewhat odd, too - and generic military etc. was always looked upon suspiciously.
again - it was the community that kinda asked to get rid of "generic" stuff and factionize things more.... a consequence is that gear becomes factionized, too. - just be happy that at least the zoner GB is still free for all that can afford it - would have only needed a slightly adjusted ID card to make it zoner only, too.... which would really only leave the kusari explorer for civilians - and that only for kusari civilians.
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - Dieter Schprokets - 03-04-2009
@ Jinx:
What then, do you think MM should use, in terms of Gunboats?
BH GS (or Orca)
Kusari Explorer
Zoners
Outcasts
Hessians
Blood Dragons
Just want to pull a concrete opinion out of you.
@ Dragonlancer
Quote:On the other side - please don't get it wrong - the Mandalorians themselves don't belong here.
It's a starwars/freeworlds-mod faction with thier own ships and system.
That's an old story, for another discussion. I got handed the Mandalorians in its infancy, and made it work in spite of the import thing, with a lot of help from Flo and Gronath, for about a year.
When you get a spare moment, read "Tales of the Mandalorians". We ended up squaring that circle quite well, if I do say so myself.
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - Jinx - 03-04-2009
i m at a loss, due to a lack of civi / generic gunboats - really... ( i know thats not very constructive )
- most logically ... outcast gunship
- next best option ... zoners ( its not bad, you know - just don t go one vs one against another gunboat.... in the end, two zoner gunboats have the same power as one zoner ( order modified ) gunboat )
- hessians - i don t know about your factions contracts - but hessians might work - if outcast is non desirable
- blood dragon works, you had a long term contract with them - and if they give you their BD HF, they would probably also give you some very few gunboats.
but yes - its easier to argue why something is NOT suited instead of saying whats suited. - we just do not have much generic stuff anymore, - each faction claims their stuff with an iron hand. - and the community asks for more and more factionized gear, too.
who knows - maybe you can get drinking pals of the coalition and they give you a few of theirs.....
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - Dieter Schprokets - 03-05-2009
Idea :
Suppose we want to buy a BH GS from S/D
(for instance)
The S/D start the ship account, name it, lets say the S/D Inquisitor, repfix AND equip it,
Then sell it to MM for (say) 100 mill. Name change to MMGS~Inquisitor, buy Merc ID, done.
We basically buy the account. Ship keeps its name. Anyone over the rank of Alorad can fly it. Shared account.
Similarly, if we want a BD GB, we ask NOVAPG to set one up, and buy the account off them.
This way, there is an RP trail : We literally buy the ship, intact, from the appropriate faction. Deal done and delivered.
RPing the purchase negotiation would be fun. I'd set up a thread for it.
The BD one would be normally based the taus, used up there.
TAZ could set up a zoner GB for us similarly, for a fee..
etc, you get the idea.
The matter of what to do with the BHGS we already own individually is an issue, but there may only be 2 of them now. could keep them.
Ask Discovery: What gunships/boats could the Mandalorians use - Jinx - 03-05-2009
the concept sounds good. - about the ships you already have - well, you have them already - no real point getting rid of them...
but they do have a different role soon - so the question is more if you actually "want" to keep them.