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RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - Binski - 05-29-2020
I suggested a long time ago a simple solution.
Make each WP require 100 units of Munitions (or one/all of the various arms commodities) to respawn.
So that means for 2 WP's, each time you destroy them, it eats 200 units upon replacement.
So if I have a base with 2 Wp's, 2000 units of munitions would be 20 spawns, or 10 respawns of each one.
At least once you wear down a base's supplies of ammo, the WP's would not respawn, regardless of the modules being there, until more ammo is dumped on. At least it would be possible go eliminate the WP's first, and the first race would be to keep arms running to POB's under siege, as well as shield fuel and regular suppies.
For most bases, 2-4000 units of space devoted to ammo for your WP's should keep it covered well from average threats. Bases with more risk to siege would need to accomodate for more space for defenses.
Personally I think this would be good for big 3 corporations. Agiera/DSE/US could actually have ammo to ship to customers, and more contraband cheap ammo will be being smuggled for those who seek a less official alternative.
And I won't start another thread but REPAIR SHIPS would also be able to be used by the big three for real reasons if they could repair bases. I wanted them able to repair NPC bases designated for siege, but the option to use them to help POB's under siege as an additional repair option would also be a good addition to base mechanics. (in regards to that previous base thread)
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - SnakThree - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 06:20 PM)Alestone Wrote:(05-29-2020, 05:58 PM)SnakThree Wrote:(05-29-2020, 05:50 PM)FrodoTheFluffy Wrote: Why shouldn't a player or company be able to protect their POB with the necessary defences available if they have the credits, resources and time to develop them!
Because they are supposed to be playing the game, logging to shoot anyone threatening their bases thus creating player interactions in multiplayer game.
Weapon Platforms are causing people to run from PvP and circle around POB instead of running away properly to avoid PvP death and thus not cause so much grief. Or to simply dock to deny blue message but still allow partial feeling of win-win, where one side doesn't get shot down but the other side sees it as combat superiority.
Given that a lot of the sieges intentionally attack when they know that the owners are not available to defend, your argument seems somewhat cherry picked.
Maybe it's just POB owners refusing to do anything about it? Kusari sieges showed how lawfuls are overall dead there. Time zones had nothing to do with it.
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - Alestone - 05-29-2020
Sure, sure, and the fact that Eurasian players are 5-9 hours ahead of Western Hemisphere players, meaning the evening gaming for them happens while the WH players are at work, isn't relevant.
My original post was indelicately worded, but the premise is still applicable. The station needs automated platforms for defense specifically because mobile assets could arrive at any time in numbers that can overwhelm the base's mounts.
The fact that people are taking advantage of those emplacements is, in my opinion, similar to an FR5 but of lesser scope. If it is violating House Laws or other RP, then it needs addressing in RP, not in mechanics.
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - SnakThree - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 06:33 PM)Alestone Wrote: Sure, sure, and the fact that Eurasian players are 5-9 hours ahead of Western Hemisphere players, meaning the evening gaming for them happens while the WH players are at work, isn't relevant.
My original post was indelicately worded, but the premise is still applicable. The station needs automated platforms for defense specifically because mobile assets could arrive at any time in numbers that can overwhelm the base's mounts.
The fact that people are taking advantage of those emplacements is, in my opinion, similar to an FR5 but of lesser scope. If it is violating House Laws or other RP, then it needs addressing in RP, not in mechanics.
Dunno. I sieged POBs. I defended POBs. As long as defenses are organised, Core 2+ POB without weapon platforms can survive well enough.
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - axisdeus - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 06:33 PM)Alestone Wrote: Sure, sure, and the fact that Eurasian players are 5-9 hours ahead of Western Hemisphere players, meaning the evening gaming for them happens while the WH players are at work, isn't relevant.
Contrary to some people's beliefs, the Earth is a geoid (i.e. spherical) and it spins, thus, Western Hemisphere players, are, in turn, on a daily basis, also ahead of the Eurasian players by some 15 to 19 hours, way longer time to maneuver
Concerning the platforms, I reckon they could endure some clearer regulations, and, as such, maybe even buffed a bit - if needed be, or given more utility.
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - Hemlocke - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 05:31 PM)Karlotta Wrote: I want defense platforms and pobs to be properly regulated by server rules and house laws, with actually important and useful advice in the pob building tutorial.
I'm entirely with Karlotta on this one, Snak shared a similar idea in the disco general chat. These damn things need to have some Quality control, far more regulation and worlds more explanation in the building tutorial.
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - E X O D I T E - 05-29-2020
I dunno, I like defmods because they're a nice utility to give a bit of a safe harbor to my shippie when 4+ people log to attack me on my lonesome.
Also, dumping a load of paperwork just so someone can have a few guns to discourage people from plinking away at a base at odd hours is just anti-fun tbh.
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - SwiftWing - 05-29-2020
To me this is Pointless, If you spend Months of time Building a base, you dang sure want to Protect it. Do not punish the POB Owner. and Look at this From a RP and Real Life View. If you where Outgunned and had players chasing you, you would run for what ever gave you Protection. So get a Grip Guys. we are supposed to be treating this like real Life in RP. so do what they would do in real Life, bring more help, Give up and leave or set there and see if he makes a run for it. that's the same choices in real life, we don't need a vote for this. Just a bit of Common since is all. if something has to be done then have the ADMIN's state your only allowed to hide behind a base for 10 Minutes or something. no one needs to be punished or anything. But as far as I see in real life your going to run for cover so why not in the game. if you don't like it catch him before he reaches the base. thats fair as well. if you don't catch him don't wine about it. it's also a game, the day after, you want care, so why are we talking about it? there are enough rules already. so don't punish the POB Owner for something you can live with tomorrow.
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - Alestone - 05-30-2020
(05-29-2020, 06:51 PM)axisdeus Wrote: Contrary to some people's beliefs, the Earth is a geoid (i.e. spherical) and it spins, thus, Western Hemisphere players, are, in turn, on a daily basis, also ahead of the Eurasian players by some 15 to 19 hours, way longer time to maneuver(.)
Ooooh, an Ad Hominem followed by incorrect information finished with a mis-intrepretation of the opposed opinion.
Geoid - "The geoid (/ˈdʒiːɔɪd/) is the shape that the ocean surface would take under the influence of the gravity and rotation of Earth alone, if other influences such as winds and tides were absent."
As to "way longer time to maneuver", my point was that it is easy to attack when you are forcing the other party into a choice of "life functions" or "game". I can only speak for myself in this instance, but taking vacation because someone besieges a POB isn't how I define "fun", especially if rules lawyering deprives the POB of weaponry.
POBs are already disadvantaged in that they are perma-kill while ships respawn. Gimping them further because they could be used against someone, especially when the exact same tactic can be performed with NPC installations, is ridiculous.
RE: Do you want to see POB Weapon Platforms removed? - darkwind - 05-30-2020
Weapon Platforms are needed right now, as there's no other way to have a little bit more chance to defend stations against trigger-happy PoB destroyers.
If stations would be having good defensive capabilities, protecting them somehow in another sufficient way against tons of battleships? Sure, perhaps.
I think though that just all stations should be just in Neutral IFF, which would mean weapon platforms become used only for self-defense.
P.S. It would be nice to have Shield Upgrades instead of weapon platforms
Better consumed percent of damage by energy shield instead.Heavily boosted rate of regeneration is not bad too.
The amount of HP would not change anything except to delay death.