(11-03-2023, 10:01 PM)|nfrared Wrote: For you guys saying there are valid routes - I have a full hold of Cardamine now and it isn't worth more than a few hundred credits per unit seemingly anywhere, at least not any of the previous sellpoints. And yes where are the slaves? The slave/cardi run was one of the best things about Freelancer when I played 10 years ago, and now it's just gone because "reasons"?

I was on holiday during the time of the event and didn't make a single credit on that and don't have the credits to outfit a new ship for something else.

If you are trying to attract returning players, maybe don't take away the cool nostaligia bits that made the game great in the first place.

(11-03-2023, 10:01 PM)|nfrared Wrote: For you guys saying there are valid routes - I have a full hold of Cardamine now and it isn't worth more than a few hundred credits per unit seemingly anywhere, at least not any of the previous sellpoints.

(11-03-2023, 09:58 PM)Erremnart Wrote:

(11-03-2023, 09:40 PM)Sombs Wrote:

(11-03-2023, 09:36 PM)Erremnart Wrote:

Outcasts and Corsairs operate differently from each other. There's no need for any kind of parity. Outcasts aren't building an empire, thus they have no need for bases further away from Malta. Bases they've lost around and in Omicron Alpha are consequences of their slavery they never truly needed (yes, Outcasts had no need for slaves for 800 years of their existence) combined with their quite considerable number of enemies who'd exploit any opening.

Weird how in the past slavery was one of the biggest deals, then, with the RP background being that the slaves provided the workforce the Outcasts couldn't produce themselves thanks to Cardamine reducing their fertility. But I guess that's just another thing that got retconned in 5.0.

Vanilla Outcasts weren't slavers - so, the slavery was a DIsco addition which means it was relatively short-lived practice from their perspective. Instead of retconning it, it was evolved and simply stopped being effective + also a huge security risk (slaves always rebel in the end - not a question of "if", but "when").

Given how rich they are, they can just buy robots to do the work for them instead.

(11-03-2023, 10:22 PM)Sombs Wrote: So the solution was a slave uprising at the one place where slaves would be fully aware they would die if they left? They are already depending on Cardamine, sir.

I don't know, there are a lot of big questions about that entire story decision, considering everything that was established in vanilla and in 30 years of Discovery lore. But that, obviously, is in your hands now.

(11-03-2023, 10:41 PM)Vulkhard Muller Wrote:

(11-03-2023, 10:22 PM)Sombs Wrote: So the solution was a slave uprising at the one place where slaves would be fully aware they would die if they left? They are already depending on Cardamine, sir.

I don't know, there are a lot of big questions about that entire story decision, considering everything that was established in vanilla and in 30 years of Discovery lore. But that, obviously, is in your hands now.

I wouldn't go that far,

Here's the thing, people in situations like that are more likely in the "Get free figure out Cardi Addiction later" mindset also, Cryer's Stabiline has at this point I am pretty sure a well proven track record of success. So, it isn't a death sentence to leave but it is inevitably one to stay.

(11-03-2023, 10:22 PM)Sombs Wrote:

(11-03-2023, 09:58 PM)Erremnart Wrote:

(11-03-2023, 09:40 PM)Sombs Wrote:

(11-03-2023, 09:36 PM)Erremnart Wrote:

Outcasts and Corsairs operate differently from each other. There's no need for any kind of parity. Outcasts aren't building an empire, thus they have no need for bases further away from Malta. Bases they've lost around and in Omicron Alpha are consequences of their slavery they never truly needed (yes, Outcasts had no need for slaves for 800 years of their existence) combined with their quite considerable number of enemies who'd exploit any opening.

Weird how in the past slavery was one of the biggest deals, then, with the RP background being that the slaves provided the workforce the Outcasts couldn't produce themselves thanks to Cardamine reducing their fertility. But I guess that's just another thing that got retconned in 5.0.

Vanilla Outcasts weren't slavers - so, the slavery was a DIsco addition which means it was relatively short-lived practice from their perspective. Instead of retconning it, it was evolved and simply stopped being effective + also a huge security risk (slaves always rebel in the end - not a question of "if", but "when").

Given how rich they are, they can just buy robots to do the work for them instead.

So the solution was a slave uprising at the one place where slaves would be fully aware they would die if they left? They are already depending on Cardamine, sir.

I don't know, there are a lot of big questions about that entire story decision, considering everything that was established in vanilla and in 30 years of Discovery lore. But that, obviously, is in your hands now.