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Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Malaclypse 666 - 03-19-2007
' Wrote:The problem, as I see it, isn't exactly that AW use Zoner IDs and such. It's that they use them regardless of their continued claims to not be true Zoners.
Despite this, they represent Zoners. Something has to change, or this won't end. I'm reserving my vote for now, untill someone can offer a clear alternative that would help the real issue.
Well, Kane, as an 'honorary' Verandan, your vote might be counted, "Julius".
Ant, I would suggest you tally what we have and close the polling. This was designed for Zoners, not the server in general. A general poll may come at a later date.
We have the feedback we need. Thanks all.
Oh, I see dab typing at the bottom. Don''t even try to vote, Dab. Ya weren't invited. But feel free to give us the "post-election" wrap-up.
Mal
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Koolmo - 03-19-2007
Erm, I've never actually mined your faction Dab, and I quite like having someone in the SF to figh besides the random*ss pirates floating around. Its the Zoner thing that bothers me.
And Ants' ships have been Zoner for a long time, probably as long as he's had the ships in question.
I don't mind the concept of the AW, I just think a change in ID is needed to better represent what you actually do. What if the Merc ID was changed in the manner mentioned by Kane in that thread. And you used it. You could keep the zoner tags, but use the merc ID. You violate the rules of your ID by engaging in the wars that you do.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Dab - 03-19-2007
Actually, Koolmo we didn't violate our ID. The very first shot fired when the AW were involved was the BSG. I cruised into a fight, sat there and typed that the BSG must cease fire on all HF ships or we would open fire. The BSG nearest me turned and opened fire on me as I was sitting there, seconds after I finished typing. Then the SF and SA joined in on the BSG side and shot us as we went after the BSG. So this war is technically a matter of self-defense.
And Koolmo, if you can suggest a faction ID, not a generic, that fits us better than Zoner ID, I'd be surprised.
And Mal, don't you EVER tell me what I can and cannot do on these forums. Until you ever get forum admin or moderator status, keep you childish threats to yourself.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Ant - 03-19-2007
' Wrote:I see this poll as biased by the three who made it.I decided to make this poll and have been completely in character until Korrd raised a non-RP point.
Koolmo and Malaclypse had no part in the creation of this poll, although their support is appreciated. I was expecting anonymous votes.
Quote:Before this was made I had never even seen Ant with a Zoner ship. Not one ever.
If you look at the Veranda Incognita thread, you can see that my Zoner character has been around for quite some time and was tagged Zoner shortly after I joined.
Between them my Zoner ships have over 250 hours ingame. It's just that I prefer to avoid pirates and those who support them.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Koolmo - 03-19-2007
Zoner ID clearly says that they can only fight on the LAWFULL side. Lane Hackers are not lawful, you shouldn't even be allied to them.
Ant, close this. We know what we need, and we know how they're going to play it, as they always have.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Malaclypse 666 - 03-19-2007
' Wrote:Actually, Koolmo we didn't violate our ID. The very first shot fired when the AW were involved was the BSG. I cruised into a fight, sat there and typed that the BSG must cease fire on all HF ships or we would open fire. The BSG nearest me turned and opened fire on me as I was sitting there, seconds after I finished typing. Then the SF and SA joined in on the BSG side and shot us as we went after the BSG. So this war is technically a matter of self-defense.
And Koolmo, if you can suggest a faction ID, not a generic, that fits us better than Zoner ID, I'd be surprised.
And Mal, don't you EVER tell me what I can and cannot do on these forums. Until you ever get forum admin or moderator status, keep you childish threats to yourself.
I haven't a clue what you're talking about, Dabbo. I just said that the poll, as was stated way up top, was for Zoners "other" than AW, so your vote wouldn't count anyway.
What's wrong with generic? At least you wouldn't be violating the Zoner charter. that is our issue.
So, you fought BSG in self-defense. That still does not justify aligning with pirates and terrorists. And it certainly does not justify participating in open conflict with those same pirates and terrorists.
That's so.... un-Zonerish..
You can't have it both ways.
Mal
Edit: and i'm stll seeing over 65% of this unofficial Zoner poll say you are indeed affronting our good name.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Dab - 03-19-2007
And Planetform, Liberty Navy, and Sirius Federation state the same thing. What the forums state is that one may ALWAYS fight in self defense. You expect us to stay neutral to three factions that shot at us? The SF, SA, and BSG violated their IDs and we didn't complain about it at all. We just kept fighting and having fun. Obviously, people put personal vendettas above the server. Funny because I'm the one being accused of a vendetta when, *gasp*, I just sent SF neutral.
Hypocrisy is running rampant.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Ant - 03-19-2007
Very well. 9-5 at the close.
Nine are of the opinion that at the least, the AW should act in character as Zoners if they are to use the tag and ID.
Five suggest that RP should be ignored.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Dab - 03-19-2007
' Wrote:I haven't a clue what you're talking about, Dabbo.
Perhaps this, where you are trying to tell me what I can and cannot do on these forums. Especially when you didn't make the thread. And so you know, I didn't vote, perhaps you should shut your mouth? Ahhh, but you cannot. And, as always, Mal can do what others cannot. Tell people what to do. Eh?
' Wrote:Oh, I see dab typing at the bottom. Don''t even try to vote, Dab. Ya weren't invited. But feel free to give us the "post-election" wrap-up.
' Wrote:That's so.... un-Zonerish..
This coming from the person who jumped in a fight while calling himself a true Zoner..
Your hypocrisy is appalling.
@Kane; Seems they are content to try their best not to fix the problem. Thanks for your efforts, but seems pointless when others are unwilling to do the same.
And Ant, maybe they aren't saying RP should be ignored. If I had voted, I would have voted for that, as AW are not Zoners we are only affiliated. We provide protection (admit it, we are the only ones prohibiting piracy and terrorism in Theta.) and in return use Zoners equipment, bases, and ships, not to mention we are also constructing the Zoner systems. (In Role-play sense) Therefor we are not true Zoners, and shouldn't really be treated as such. We have made it abundantly clear that we are not true Zoners and our actions do not constitute the Zoner's intents.
If we could mod the game, we would have an Asgard Warriors tag as we don't fit any of the factions perfectly. We chose the best we fit, and use their stuff. Then we made an RP to integrate ourselves in that. If we wanted, we could have just picked Zoner ID and tag and just said, hey we are the Zoners and we do what we want. But we went and made an RP that shows why we do what we do, and that we are, in fact, not the Zoners.
We have made an effort in this. All you have done is complain.
Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors - Malaclypse 666 - 03-19-2007
' Wrote:Very well. 9-5 at the close.
Nine are of the opinion that at the least, the AW should act in character as Zoners if they are to use the tag and ID.
Five suggest that RP should be ignored.
Good enough..
as we've definitely lost the RP purpose of this thread, I suggest that all interested Zoners retire to chambers and discuss this further.
Until such time as we call AW to the table.
Mal, for the Veranda.