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---Douglas Bader, BHG|Core-Grampus---

Exalted Guildmaster -

Our ship was forced by circumstances to take a different route to Deshima. At this point we're actually attempting to deal with their supply lines. Minor details that these Kusari seem to forget - they have a VERY large and VERY open back door. Ah, well, must come from not actually being used to fighting against worthy opponents.

In any event, this shogun of theirs seems rather determined to get his men back. How about the planetary governor of Honshu? Seems that he and his police escort somehow or other stumbled into my cargo bay. I'd suggest that life of his cousin might be worth calling off his dogs...



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' Wrote:Either way, I stick to what I've said here:
And regarding this part:
Are you denying my statement that as a regular player, not leader of an official faction you requested from Admins to fix the Joker's and Thugs' rep and that it was granted?

' Wrote:Well Dab we all think this is about Joker. Isn`t powergaming not to listen to joker demands and staying on position as a council chairman ( well it`s a game no one can make you to step down on your position, what kind of RP is to let bunch of people die, you could at least act as leaving the chairman position to see what will happen with bombs)...that was powergaming or powerroleplaying

' Wrote:Dab, can you specify exactly what you meant with powergaming, in this recent incident, and also for the one where there was the mentioned thread?

Would be useful to have as many concrete examples of what is called 'powergaming' or 'metagaming' ingame. Right now it cant really be discussed because we would have to guess what you mean.

' Wrote:1: Joker asking you to resign from your Zoner position because he didt like what you did to one of his friends

' Wrote:If thats the one you mean, I think its a legitimate thing to do in RP. I think you handled that situation very well, by not giving in. It was the correct thing to do, and what any goverment would have done (for example german gov didnt bow to the RAF rote armee fraktion). A small comment... if he had done the same thing to someone else, admins possibly wouldnt have set him red with all zoners. It was the right thing to do, but I think it wouldnt have been done to help many other zoners apart from you.

' Wrote:2: Another thing that I consider meta/powergaming is this: taking up a position agianst your own faction or allies to help someone who would actually be your enemy, because of personal relations with players.
Many examples for this. Saronsen shot Order ships to defend oracles (because he didnt like the Order players), he sided with Outcasts and Phantoms to shoot LN (because he didnt liek the navy players), and was as I hear very triggerhappy with is juggy.
The argument that is almost put forward is 'fairness' and that the other people are 'pvp-whore', but the REAL reason is that you rather side with the players behind the characters, because they your friends or you consider them more influencial.
Of course the peopel that you shoot or the allies that you dont help notice this, and it really cooks up tempers.

' Wrote:What are the concrete examples you consider powergaming?

' Wrote:If this were about the Joker, I would've posted something like this days ago. Also, how is it powerplaying to not give in to a terrorist's demands? So if someone was RPing the president of Liberty (Powell) and he didn't resign because the Xenos told him he had to, he's powerplaying? That makes no sense at all...

' Wrote:This is the post Dab was referring to, it was something he and I were discussing last night. Now, as you know, I am not one for defending Dab, but in this case, it was not about the Joker, but instead the post above this writing, a shining example of power gaming from one of our Moderators.