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HF MK IIs? - Gamazson - 06-28-2007
Ok this might strike some as a little extreme but why not rebalance the whole game. Nobody flies with class 1-6 weapons, unless they are new. What I recomed is the following...
Class 1 weapons become equal to the current Class 5
Class 2 is equal to Class 6
Class 3 is equal to Class 7
Class 4 is equal to Class 8
Class 5 is equal to Class 9
Class 6 is equal to Class 10
Class 7 and above are Capship level forward weapons
Kinda of like how the Turrets are now setup.
Of course many fighters will require a power change to cope but this returns all the stock FL ships to their proper role. People will begin to fly Stilettos and Falcons again, and their would be no need for MK II anything. also new players would be able to jump into the game faster. Sure they may need to start off with a mil or so but its not like they are instant Capship pilots.
I know what I am saying may require a player wipe but it would be nice to see the Defender with a purpose again. This change would not be great for SP, but it will make multiplayer (Which is what we all d-loaded discovery for) much more balanced. I believe this would be for the good of the MOD.
Another thing that irks me a little (This is not major) is that the houses all have VHF's that are the same model as their HF cousin. Maybe develop some models for this purpose as well.
Templar I very much agree on your stance with the bombers, give them turrets and Torps, make them dependent on fighter support.
Ok I have posted enough flame worthy heresy.....
BTW. What ever happened to turret Class 6?
HF MK IIs? - Gamazson - 06-28-2007
Sorry to Double post but it occurs to me that the matter of shields might need to be readdressed.
At current FL has 3 shield types.
LF
HF
Frieghter
Why not break it down into 2 types
Civilian
Military
Civilian shields would be less expensive but not as powerful as its Military counterpart. These shield would be common on Civilian vessels (eg. STARFLYER series, EAGLE series, and Freighters/Transports) and pirate vessels.
Military shields as stated before would be strong, and of course would only be used by the house militaries and select outcast/corsair ships. Note that this class of shield is not restricted to only be on military craft, but is more common there. No military craft is likely to mount a civilian shield.
Shield class of both types would break down like this.
1-6 (Fighters and Freighters)
7-9 (Transports/Capships)
10 (Battleship sized vessels only. Likely to only exist in a Military Variety)
I know we cant change their names in the menu due to hard code issues (I think anyway), but again this strikes me to make more sense. The previous setup was fine with only 3 general classes of small vessels, but capships tend to change the scale factor a little.
I'm sorry about these posts but an excess of sugar/caffeine has produced insomnia and I am now prone to excessive thinking.
HF MK IIs? - Maranzo - 06-28-2007
Well Nexus the first things seems a hell of a work and are lightfighters than capable of carrying codenames ? I hope not :/ then you can get some strange situations out there...
And the shield thing is just fine right now:)
But ok...
I DO like the heavy fighter MK II ... didn't some HF MK II fighters became very heavy fighters btw ?
I have given the Crow a try too and its a nice looking ship but its just not what it has to be... and its a waste of such a nice ship, cause nobody will fly it...
Jack
HF MK IIs? - Gamazson - 06-28-2007
By that system above no light fighter should go above class 4 weapons. Of course code names are ridiculous on a LF. This system would just make all classes of guns used and make ships like Nephtys, Chimera, Wraith and Templar, onerous since their "cannon" counterparts would be up to the task they were meant to play. Plus these great names would be available for future ships.
HF MK IIs? - Denelo - 06-28-2007
Errrm.... Nexus, this is about Heavy Fighters, not shields/weapons. I somehow doubt Igiss will change the entire mod over one ship type.... but thanks for the support.
Tank... I don't think you understand. I was testing it while I was moving and Aralie was sitting still with only one weapon active. Also... Here's the most crazy part: I killed myself by dropping 4 mines out of my ship. Would have been three, but the last one didn't seem to want to explode. Now, if I can't beat a Raven's Claw that's sitting still with only one kracken active, while I'm in a Heavy Fighter, Heavy Fighters need an upgrade.
HF MK IIs? - Panzer - 06-28-2007
Yeah,
An idea, just curious if it's possible:
Light fighters mk II can mount only 4 guns, tried one type with Doom (and you all know he's a great pilot), we had the same loadout, same equipment, same ship type. (2 sunfrenzies, lancer and neutralizer missles) Neither of us could do any damage at all. The only sure hits came at such time intervals that the shield had enough time to regen = back to the start
My question is: Is it possible to make some ships have missle-only slots? I mean, some slots would be both for guns and missle launchers, while 1 or 2 would be missle-only.
HF MK IIs? - Yngen - 06-28-2007
The Slip Stream is somewhere between a Mk2 LF and a Mk2 HF by virtue of its firepower.
I say do not touch the HF manueverability, but give them comparable armor to the two advanced HFs we see in the game now:
Crow: 8200 armor, class 8/9 guns, 6 guns/1 turret, 52 nano/bot....o.O DS says it can equip a torpedo...is this true???
Marauder: 7000 armor, class 7/9, 6/1, 44 nano/bot M/CD/CM
Marauder has LF manueverability almost and an extremely small profile from head on.
HF MK IIs? - Denelo - 06-28-2007
' Wrote:I say do not touch the HF manueverability, but give them comparable armor to the two advanced HFs we see in the game now
Agreed.
HF MK IIs? - Lt.Cmdr.Olsav - 06-28-2007
sounds decent, that was always my main stopping point, the lack of armour.
HF MK IIs? - darkguardian - 06-28-2007
I voted to Change the HF's so they are all practically balanced. This would make things a lot easier thsn making MKll fihters.