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Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - P*Funk - 12-03-2007
Has any flown the Barghest? You might as well fly a GB!
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - chopper - 12-03-2007
' Wrote:Has any flown the Barghest? You might as well fly a GB!
I can only imagine:(
My opinion is that bombers SHOULD be a BIG threat to capital ships, even gunboats.
Now, they are threat to cruisers and battleships. And only in large numbers.
They turn way too slow.
Give them the agility so they can actually do something with their supernovas.
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - alance - 12-03-2007
' Wrote:I can only imagine:(I just have to ask... i see a lot of posts from you on this subject but how many bombers have you fought in and been defeated in since beta 5 dropped? I've had no time to test in beta 5, so I'd like to see specific examples of people getting pwn'd because bombers now suck.
My opinion is that bombers SHOULD be a BIG threat to capital ships, even gunboats.
Now, they are threat to cruisers and battleships. And only in large numbers.
They turn way too slow.
Give them the agility so they can actually do something with their supernovas.
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - chopper - 12-03-2007
One. Taiidan.
I don't know about the others (except the RM one), but i can imagine because in change log it says "Changed manuverability for all Cruisers and Bombers".
It is not really about this beta only.
For example, Thor is very slow, right?
Well, it needs to be faster.
ALL bombers need to be fast, there is no point in having slow bombers.
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever - 12-03-2007
a bomber is meant to be called in or escorted heavily within a fleet of battleship 2 cruisers and 2 vhfs
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - DBoy1612 - 12-03-2007
Voted for they're fine just how they are. Because well, they are... They're how Bombers should be. Ya, compared to what they used to be in 4.83, they suck. But right now they're still flyable and fun to use. So no, I don't think anymore changes are needed. The maneuverability is fine, the weapons are fine, the ships are fine. Nothing more.
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - unicorn - 12-03-2007
I think the bomber should have some advantages against smaller capships, like gunboats and destroyers, and in numbers against battleships (two or more bombers)
This is not true at now. It's useless against any GB, and mjolnir's estimation doesnt count because he is an Ace pilot, and I think it should be enough to be good pilot to engage a GB with a bomber.
Is there problem against fighters? Yeah, an ace pilot able to kill fighters with a slower one bomber with less weapon, it is NORMAL. It was normal. It wasnt unbalanced until now. The only unbalanced things that double mini razor.
So I think it is very unbalanced now. I dont have any chance to kill a GB, or a destroyer. Additionaly the capship weaponry became stronger for now...
I think bombers maneveurability must be restored, and it should be out of RP, when somebody use two mini razors in his bomber. (because it doesn't outfits for capships) The torp/CD slots must be used for torpedos, supernova, and maybe one CD besides one heavy wep.
In this way it wouldn't be such an effective weapon against fighters, but if somebody casually destroys a fighter with supernova, than he deserve the victory. I think in 20 bomber pilot only one are capable such a thing, and not every time just against average pilots.
So I think Bombers shouldnt use mini razors, because its out of RP, but maybe it would be useful to give more strength to inferno in a balanced way. (double energy and double damage, or maybe triple)
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - pipsqueak - 12-03-2007
I have seen you fight unselie, you are very adept at fighting in rear view. not every one is.
My point was made to a statement how a couple of minis can fornicate a fighter.
Minis dont point back.
Now replace that slipstream with a VHF. which can still out fly a current bomber easily.
Now you are looking at 3 times the firepower and better straffing capabilities than you. dont count on mines, cause even if I blindly fire one after seeing you drop one, a cd will hit it. (try it some time)
Lets try GUNBOATS....um no way.
Now lets see how effective they are against what these bombers were made for...aka the Battleships.
Guess what.... not Very. The shield recharge of caps is still massive. You miss one Supernova, you are allowing a battleship shield to recharge for 12 seconds.
On an incoming run, A battleship not can strip off your shield no problem.
Some guns shoot 3.1 as opposed to my novas at 1600.
In a relative RP raid, consisting of 3 fighters and a bomber againts a battleship, a Battleship now simply ignores the fighters and goes after the only possible threat.
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - Igiss - 12-03-2007
May I humbly interfere? Given the amount of flaming about current mod balance, I'm starting to consider that we are dealing with a final release, not a beta that won't last for longer than a week.
When beta 4 was installed on main server, everyone was complaining that certain bombers, like Kusari bomber, were too maneuverable. I checked. Yes they were. Allright, for beta 5 their maneuverability was reduced (but not too much), and maneuverability of all other bombers was changed (NOT necessarily reduced) as well to match their hull strength and other stats. That's why Taiidan became less maneuverable. Less maneuverable bombers didn't receive any agility change at all, or the agility stats were changed in a very minor way, so the talks about Rheinland bomber becoming less agile are plain nonsense.
Again, this is only a beta version, and suggestions about bomber agility changes are welcome. Problem is that there are no suggestions. Of course, it's very funny to include a sarcastic "turn like a station" option into the poll. However, no one even tried to post a list of particular bombers that need agility improvement (apart from the Taiidan, which will get slightly better). And if you insist that bombers should stay as they were, I just have to ask how should I change the stats, if they were not changed since beta 4?
Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do? - jammi - 12-03-2007
The thing is, bombers are still 'fighter' class ships. Yes they should have a advantage over gunships, yes they should have the advantage over gunboats, and they should be able to take down cruisers with a skilled pilot. they should NOT be able to take down a battleship single handed. I mean they are not magical little ships that are invunerable to cap ships, they ARE JUST fighters with power cores upped to support improved torpdo systems and reduced weapons. A fighter should not be able to counter a behemoth 1K long battleship that costs over 1billion credits from commision to scrap. It ecourages teamwork, learn to work together to beat the BS.