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Bretonian Army - Daerune - 05-21-2011
My advice is to not feed the troll and let him starve, he will only respond if he gets the attention, half the time that;s what the trolls want any way. So for now ignore the trolls under the bridge and walk over it.
Bretonian Army - Kontrazec (Somni) - 05-21-2011
' Wrote:I know, it's going to be a struggle but hopefully we can eventually get there. All official factions end up casting away some players, in this, I would allow anyone and everyone join free, and see if that could boost numbers at all. Time will tell. Fingers crossed.
In this case, good luck to you, and happy dodging my NLH's razors :D
Bretonian Army - Wafellini - 05-21-2011
well you put a lot effort in it but I simply don't see exacly where do you aim to take it...cause right now...BAF needs new players and you probably could do most of the things while being in BAF AND it would be good for both sides...to be honest there is too much of it to read it and I think it's mostly coppied from the Wiki about British army but I am not sure about that. So yeah I can't see the point of doing ANOTHER BAFlike faction just because you have diffrent view of it... it will most likely fail cause Bretonia is not very popular and already existing factions need more attention and believe me if you will come with something intresting that you can add to BAF I don't think anyone will say no - you are not allowed - you are just ensign:P
so yeah good idea and nice job but I think you should rather go and try to work out this idea with BAF .. maybe new wing or something...rather then start something new...cause you might fail and in the same time you will weaken the BAF.
So yeah I will try to read all of it but I looked it up quickly and it looks like you are thinking about faciton that has many members cause of all that wings, squadrons and ranks....so it can be really hard.
Bretonian Army - SnakThree - 05-21-2011
' Wrote:My advice is to not feed the troll and let him starve, he will only respond if he gets the attention, half the time that;s what the trolls want any way. So for now ignore the trolls under the bridge and walk over it.Sadly for you, I suppose, I am not a troll. I asked what I wished to know. As I got an answer to that, saying he wants to implement different ideas - he got my attention.
You claim that I am troll and should be ignored is as much ignorant as the troll himself.
I wish the very best to The Englishman, since I will be honest, I dislike the latest encounters with BAF| and that's why I got out of Bretonia. Thus, I am hoping to have good encounters with BA| .
Bretonian Army - FallenKnight - 05-21-2011
Hello Englishman.
I am happy to see, that everyday more people are interested of Bretonia. I know their numbers will definetly increase, once .46 comes out, cuz of the daily Gallic raids that Bretonia is about to suffer. These future numbers will do several things to join Bretonia Home:
1-Some may join BAF| and create a career.
2-A lot will stay independents and will just do that , what some call's "pew pew".
3-Few others, who are known with their "groups of friends" or just new guys with same ideas, will try to create a copy of BAF but, ofcourse, unnoficial.
From this three points, you can clearly see, that this entire thread is similar to point 3. Please dont take my words wrong. I had read your entire post. I cant hide its very well made, and a lot of it's ideas, about the army, are logical to excist. Every country have a "Navy" and an "Army", but in this game, Freelancer that is...we RP and PVP as ...space ships.
In the moment you say "ship in space from BA|", its automatically considered, by 70% of the server population, as a "copy of BAF|. The Reasons are: The familiar name, which you said you can change, ofcourse the ID and IFF, and the same kind of RP, a BAF can offer.
Lets place the members of the future BA| next to BAF| members so we can check something:
BAF:
-Templar (or other bretonia ships)
-Bretonia weapons / Codes
-BAF ID (Guard for capital ships)
-BAF IFF
-A space ship pilot, RP-ing as a "pilot from the Bretonia Armed forces"
BA:
-Templar (or other bretonia ships)
-Bretonia weapons / Codes
-BAF ID (Guard (which is not mandatory))
-BAF IFF
-A space ship pilot, RP-ing as a "pilot from the Bretonia Army"
Well, to our enemies, it wont matter if we have a hundred parites with different names. We all would be "bretonians" in their eyes and BA, BAF or Indies will not matters.
You may guess what my suggestions about this matter are:
-To increase the activity of the BAF official faction, we need more men, and we will have a lot more once .46 comes out. If we want that to happen, we need them in BAF| not in any other unofficial faction.
-You had mentioned that you dont want to be in BAF anymore, keep the reasons for you, but that is not the way to ask others to "freely" join in a new faction, that have the same goals as BAF. It does not matters if its army , squadron or fleet. It's a bretonian unit that every possible enemy of Bretonia will strike try to strike down.
-To create and keep one strong faction is better than to create two or more familiar factions, just to change the leadership. Speaking about the leadership, what you can give to your new platoons? They wont be able to order BAF around, and will have to obey the superiors, so what is the difference between "Ensign" and your "Field Marshal"??? I will tell you what. The ensign will become a commander in time, the Field Marshal will stay an independent unit forever and wont have the power you decire.
-To keep the puzzle in tact and not separating our goals, which are same, we must keep the puzzle pices together.
-Everyone is free to join BAF| as ensign if he is interested and did the requirements for this rank. And everyone is free to leave, if he found it "different" or simply not like it.
If you were BAF, and want to help that faction or in short, to help Bretonia by doing something, join us again and do your best to help us keeping the puzzle's pices together.
Bretonian Army - FallenKnight - 05-21-2011
' Wrote:I dislike the latest encounters with BAF| and that's why I got out of Bretonia.
Thank you Snak3. Its good to hear we wont have another whining pirate around. Have a nice day.
Bretonian Army - Dwarf - 05-21-2011
' Wrote:Hello Englishman.
I can in all honestly, understand your opinion and I see where you're coming from but I guess a few points that do separate the BAF and the current make-up of this faction are:
- We are more into stricter military RP (No offence, BAF| in all honestly isn't)
- We have a different RP command strucutre (Regiments and platoons etc) Now I know you will think, yeah but that is very minor but in reality, if it works, it can make a major difference to members. Regiments (And Platoons and Squads etc) will all do the same thing, but with slightly different gear, but most importantly they will be in constant competition with each other. Now, I don't speak for everyone but inter-faction competition to be 'The Best' is so much fun, it really has a goal for members rather than "Patrol, Kill pirate on lane". Going on from this, regimental competition, what I mean is say in Salisbury the Mercian regiment vs Royal Dragoons one Saturday afternoon, to see who is better etc, it just creates a much for family environment.
- Our Commissioned and Non-commissioned officers idea, further flourishes the military RP, and those who are very into their army mechanics and how things work in the forces, love the idea. I have alway had a handful, well currently four people in one way or another, congratulate the idea of different levels of entry and thus different command and responsibilities to the faction members.
- The concept of Territorial being part-time members who come online now and then but don't do much and then regulars who are the main body, the ones that shine, even further creates faction competition as I said in the OP. Plus, players with a BAF ship who want to fly with a team and have the command and support of a faction, but without the prospects of paperwork and promotions, the territorial army side would be appealing.
- I would also like to clear up that Guard repped ships are for commissioned officers only.
- Oh and also, I'm willing to accept anyone to join, despite past history on discovery. I guess, on some level, you could think of this as a very very organized reserve (Indie) group.
Bretonian Army - SnakThree - 05-21-2011
' Wrote:Thank you Snak3. Its good to hear we wont have another whining pirate around. Have a nice day.Heh. Why do you try insulting me? If there is personal reasons, and I know there is, keep it personally, please. Very much the same I could say about you, but I forgot it long time ago and let it go the moment I left OG. If I am for fair, even fights and that cannot be equalised as whining. So please get this out of your mind. Past is past, live in present.
Sorry for going off topic. Good luck, Englishman.
Bretonian Army - SpaceTime - 05-21-2011
Reading Fallenknight's post, I want to suggest something.
Why don't you re-join BAF|, talk to admirals about your ideas and if they like them (or just find them interesting/innovative enough), create these groups you want under the BAF| tag.
This way you will have potential members from BAF|, you will be part of the official faction and of course there won't be many split BAF factions.
Bretonian Army - Dwarf - 05-21-2011
' Wrote:Reading Fallenknight's post, I want to suggest something.
Why don't you re-join BAF|, talk to admirals about your ideas and if they like them (or just find them interesting/innovative enough), create these groups you want under the BAF| tag.
This way you will have potential members from BAF|, you will be part of the official faction and of course there won't be many split BAF factions.
Indeed, well I'm going to have a word with Dieter and hopefully a team of Admirals from BAF on their thoughts, if at the end of the week, I still have this "Join BAF|" then I'll probably end up doing that, but if I can get a good team interested, I'll stay to my guns.
Edit: Well, a second option could be actually having a territorial Army of sort, a gathering of independants and 'drop outs' from the BAF and then the TA could either be a 1) Way of getting members ready for the BAF| 2) A second wing to the BAF.
But thats just a brain storm.